Who is there to blame?

[xr34p3rx]

Who is there to blame on the concept of gods and religion?

For the people who actually pay attention to me, my quote that i came up with is "it isn't in our nature to think of a God, it is in our nature to seek answers and the concept of God is most influenced in this world." and i have been thinking of who to blame.

We could go back in time to our ancestors (or cave man idiots) who thought... "huh... I have no explanation for this shit, lets make something up that will make us ignorantly feel better!"

Or we could say, in an over generalization, that its humanity itself that is just stupid enough to come up with such a dishonest answer to something and actually believe your own lie.

And then there's Obama, where change only occurred down my stairs..... if you know what i mean. (yes that was a penis joke).

What do ya'll think?

[Minimalist]

Blame whoever made money off the deal.

I look at the priests, myself.

[xr34p3rx]

Blame whoever made money off the deal.

I look at the priests, myself.

well those people probably just do it for the money and dont really care about others (genuinely).

[Minimalist]

Right...... what's your point?

[xr34p3rx]

Right...... what's your point?

Just philosophical reasoning.

[Get me Rex Kramer!]

Who is there to blame on the concept of gods and religion?

For the people who actually pay attention to me, my quote that i came up with is "it isn't in our nature to think of a God, it is in our nature to seek answers and the concept of God is most influenced in this world." and i have been thinking of who to blame.

We could go back in time to our ancestors (or cave man idiots) who thought... "huh... I have no explanation for this shit, lets make something up that will make us ignorantly feel better!"

Or we could say, in an over generalization, that its humanity itself that is just stupid enough to come up with such a dishonest answer to something and actually believe your own lie.

And then there's Obama, where change only occurred down my stairs..... if you know what i mean. (yes that was a penis joke).

What do ya'll think?

Explanations only ever go as far as they need to (until matters 'are explained'). If cavemen had to explain their world why would it be unreasonable that they posit a man in the sky? It would be far more unreasonable for us to assume they should have had a dispassionate, modern scientific view of the universe (the what?).

I also don't agree that 'humanity is just stupid enough', again for the same reason. As Marx said, religion, like the state, is a measure of the amount of freedom humans have been able to engineer for themselves. At certain points this seems to be 'not enough', but the context for transformation is never a moral one but a material one. Saying people are very stupid is likely to put you on the moral end of this, but acknowledging the facts of religious expression is a step in the right direction.

[xr34p3rx]

Who is there to blame on the concept of gods and religion?

For the people who actually pay attention to me, my quote that i came up with is "it isn't in our nature to think of a God, it is in our nature to seek answers and the concept of God is most influenced in this world." and i have been thinking of who to blame.

We could go back in time to our ancestors (or cave man idiots) who thought... "huh... I have no explanation for this shit, lets make something up that will make us ignorantly feel better!"

Or we could say, in an over generalization, that its humanity itself that is just stupid enough to come up with such a dishonest answer to something and actually believe your own lie.

And then there's Obama, where change only occurred down my stairs..... if you know what i mean. (yes that was a penis joke).

What do ya'll think?

Explanations only ever go as far as they need to (until matters 'are explained'). If cavemen had to explain their world why would it be unreasonable that they posit a man in the sky? It would be far more unreasonable for us to assume they should have had a dispassionate, modern scientific view of the universe (the what?).

I also don't agree that 'humanity is just stupid enough', again for the same reason. As Marx said, religion, like the state, is a measure of the amount of freedom humans have been able to engineer for themselves. At certain points this seems to be 'not enough', but the context for transformation is never a moral one but a material one. Saying people are very stupid is likely to put you on the moral end of this, but acknowledging the facts of religious expression is a step in the right direction.

i see, but what about the religious, theres tons of evidence for evolution but thats what i mean by people are just stupid, they prefer to stay in the dark ages holding torches instead of reasoning with science.

[ShaMan]

Or we could say, in an over generalization, that its humanity itself that is just stupid enough to come up with such a dishonest answer to something and actually believe your own lie.

I'm putting $100 on this being closest to accurately placing "blame" where it belongs.

[Get me Rex Kramer!]

Explanations only ever go as far as they need to (until matters 'are explained'). If cavemen had to explain their world why would it be unreasonable that they posit a man in the sky? It would be far more unreasonable for us to assume they should have had a dispassionate, modern scientific view of the universe (the what?).

I also don't agree that 'humanity is just stupid enough', again for the same reason. As Marx said, religion, like the state, is a measure of the amount of freedom humans have been able to engineer for themselves. At certain points this seems to be 'not enough', but the context for transformation is never a moral one but a material one. Saying people are very stupid is likely to put you on the moral end of this, but acknowledging the facts of religious expression is a step in the right direction.

i see, but what about the religious, theres tons of evidence for evolution but thats what i mean by people are just stupid, they prefer to stay in the dark ages holding torches instead of reasoning with science.

But evolution doesn't promise anything, it fights against anthropomorphising nature and so on. People don't want to subscribe to evolution because they think it's intellectually poisonous, not because they reject actual science: they don't know the actual science. Again I'm not sure that should be classed as 'stupid', but reasonable given their perspective. Pointing out what is unreasonable in that perspective is something that takes sensitivity and understanding. Just my opinion and I hope it makes sense.

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Or we could say, in an over generalization, that its humanity itself that is just stupid enough to come up with such a dishonest answer to something and actually believe your own lie.

I'm putting $100 on this being closest to accurately placing "blame" where it belongs.

Well ok, but we believe our own lies all the time. The whole of our social reality is utterly fictional, not to mention our love of ordinary fiction and all the suspensions of disbelief there are in daily life. In fact I'd wager you that £100 that only a small percentage of our daily thoughts are truly sensible and objective.

[Jackalope]

People don't want to subscribe to evolution because they think it's intellectually poisonous, not because they reject actual science: they don't know the actual science.

This above pretty much captures my take on the matter. People aren't stupid, per se, they're ignorant, and remain so because - for one reason or another - they are deeply invested in the "truth" that they have come to know and understand.

Here's something a pretty smart guy had to say along similar lines:

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