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RE: Ultimate Argument
January 17, 2014 at 12:23 am
(This post was last modified: January 17, 2014 at 12:28 am by Polaris.)
(January 17, 2014 at 12:20 am)xr34p3rx Wrote: (January 16, 2014 at 10:57 pm)Polaris Wrote: The opposite counters that....in the end, no one wins in philosophical debates....you just get the guy who's the bigger douche who claims he wins because the other guy gets bored with the whole bullshit.
i like how you curse and are christian
I also drink. TooK a Christian to a brewery one day and came to the realization if someone says they don't like to drink in public, you should heed their advice.
You'd be surprised at how loose some people get off half a beer.
I think the fact that I A. curse and B. drink is why I don't tell most people I am a Christian. Also for the fact I pissed a co-worker off by mentioning that an asteroid wiped out the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. He ruined 26 years of my life where I could honestly say I never met a Christian who believed in creationism. I always assumed they were either in the middle of no where or just someone atheists liked to invent.
But if we walk in the light, as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, His Son, purifies us from all sin.
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RE: Ultimate Argument
January 17, 2014 at 12:26 am
Other than a shotgun? 
No. "God" is pretty much just a projection of identity unto emotional response to physical stimuli.
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RE: Ultimate Argument
January 29, 2014 at 5:43 pm
Okay, I think I might have something. This a more powerful version of the problem from belief:
A. There is no free will. This can be proven as follows. Every factor before an event determines the outcome of that event. For example, if I had a baseball, and I threw it, there would be three determining factors: the aerodynamics, gravity, and the way I threw it.
B. Every positive combined with a negative zzz ALWAYS becomes negative. 1•-1 always is -1. The same applies with "hate love" and "love hate"
C. Theism is the positive, atheism is the negative.
D. Any creator that means good would prove itself to the negative that it exists to ensure no questioning or attack on the positive.
Tell me what you think.
-Severan
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RE: Ultimate Argument
January 29, 2014 at 10:07 pm
(January 29, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Severan Wrote: Okay, I think I might have something. This a more powerful version of the problem from belief:
A. There is no free will. This can be proven as follows. Every factor before an event determines the outcome of that event. For example, if I had a baseball, and I threw it, there would be three determining factors: the aerodynamics, gravity, and the way I threw it.
B. Every positive combined with a negative zzz ALWAYS becomes negative. 1•-1 always is -1. The same applies with "hate love" and "love hate"
C. Theism is the positive, atheism is the negative.
D. Any creator that means good would prove itself to the negative that it exists to ensure no questioning or attack on the positive.
Tell me what you think.
-Severan
FAIL!
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Ultimate Argument
January 29, 2014 at 10:21 pm
(January 29, 2014 at 10:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: (January 29, 2014 at 5:43 pm)Severan Wrote: Okay, I think I might have something. This a more powerful version of the problem from belief:
A. There is no free will. This can be proven as follows. Every factor before an event determines the outcome of that event. For example, if I had a baseball, and I threw it, there would be three determining factors: the aerodynamics, gravity, and the way I threw it.
B. Every positive combined with a negative zzz ALWAYS becomes negative. 1•-1 always is -1. The same applies with "hate love" and "love hate"
C. Theism is the positive, atheism is the negative.
D. Any creator that means good would prove itself to the negative that it exists to ensure no questioning or attack on the positive.
Tell me what you think.
-Severan
FAIL!
How so? Please explain.
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RE: Ultimate Argument
January 30, 2014 at 12:01 am
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2014 at 12:01 am by Severan.)
Or are you so engulfed by a faulty confirmation bias that you have no time to find loopholes that aren't there?
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RE: Ultimate Argument
January 30, 2014 at 12:08 am
We're at a technical disadvantage against people who can make up anything they want to support their position. We have to actually follow the rules of the real world. There is no smoking gun.
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RE: Ultimate Argument
January 30, 2014 at 12:19 am
(January 30, 2014 at 12:01 am)Severan Wrote: Or are you so engulfed by a faulty confirmation bias that you have no time to find loopholes that aren't there?
Either that, or your use of English words to write in a language that isn't English. 
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RE: Ultimate Argument
January 30, 2014 at 9:10 am
(This post was last modified: January 30, 2014 at 9:42 am by Mr Greene.)
I doubt anything so blunt would be likely to work.
Personally I'd use a bit of NLP;
eg. 'Well it's not upto me to tell you, "Avoid church" but I'd have to wonder about anyone who had to lie on such a regular basis...'
Quote:I don't understand why you'd come to a discussion forum, and then proceed to reap from visibility any voice that disagrees with you. If you're going to do that, why not just sit in front of a mirror and pat yourself on the back continuously?
- Esquilax
Evolution - Adapt or be eaten.
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RE: Ultimate Argument
January 30, 2014 at 3:28 pm
(January 29, 2014 at 10:21 pm)Severan Wrote: (January 29, 2014 at 10:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: FAIL!
How so? Please explain.
You disregarded the batter.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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