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Personhood
#21
RE: Personhood
I read this as, "Hey, your baby can't think. Let's kill it and harvest its organs for our elite babies."

It doesn't matter what you think. It really doesn't matter what any of us think. The child has been born, named, loved, etc. "It" is human. Calling a baby "it" does more than rob it of personhood. It robs the baby of humanity, which is not within anyone's power. You cannot just state that the baby is not human. Words have definitions for a fucking reason. I don't think you're an ass or anything for thinking the way you do. That kid should rightfully be dead. I just think you're wrong.

(February 10, 2014 at 3:38 pm)Ivy Wrote: The baby doesn't even know it exists. No thought. Where does this dignity come from? It's not about the mother feeling it. It's about the kid.

So, say a baby is brain dead. Then what?

Then she is a baby that is brain dead.
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#22
RE: Personhood
If a baby is brain dead, would it be logical to take the baby off life support?

I think it's up to the mother, but she will invest a lot on a baby that doesn't even notice, care, want, etc. It's sad. It's the kind of selfish that mostly hurts the person being selfish.
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#23
RE: Personhood
It's all so very grey...

I think the person who I am most concerned about is the mother. That would eat me alive if people sat around judging me on my choices for my child and family. Then sit try to rationalize why my child is not a person but a brainless husk who doesn't deserve her organs. That's a foul way of thinking in my opinion.
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#24
RE: Personhood
A lot of people I've talked to have argued that if what's growing inside the woman hasn't developed a neo cortex, it's not a person, and should be ok to abort it. It's just a body without any consciousness or awareness. They call the fetus an it, or a parasite to be even more insulting.

This baby without a brain seems to be aware of its surroundings. In the video s/he seemed to smile after being touched. Should they really be fighting so hard to keep the baby alive? I don't know. I don't see much point, but it's not my kid. It's developed enough to look like a child. Does a brainless child get to be called a person more than a fetus who just hasn't had the chance to develop a brain yet?

Maybe this was already answered in other pages. I didn't really read, but those are my initial thoughts.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#25
RE: Personhood
Also... if I was that mother I would never have allowed the filming of my anencephalic child.
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#26
RE: Personhood
(February 10, 2014 at 6:34 pm)No_God Wrote: It's all so very grey...

I think the person who I am most concerned about is the mother. That would eat me alive if people sat around judging me on my choices for my child and family. Then sit try to rationalize why my child is not a person but a brainless husk who doesn't deserve her organs. That's a foul way of thinking in my opinion.

Her story is public. It happens. I feel bad for the mom, but more than discussing the woman, I think this is a discussion regarding a subject. In any case, she's the one that will care for a baby who is clueless of life, needs, wants, or anything else. I see this as a questionable thing regardless of the empathy I feel towards her as a mother that I am.
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#27
RE: Personhood
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-life.html

Died in November, 2012.

I found that video horrifying. I kept waiting for someone to say they were waiting for a miracle but I did not hear that.

I really wonder what the mother was thinking or if she truly understood the facts of his condition. Dragging him to the zoo? Camping?? It's like bringing a doll along.

Bizarre.
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#28
RE: Personhood
It's not as if your typical babysitter is going to be trained to take care of a brainless baby while you go off to the zoo or on camping trips.
Poe's Law: "Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humor, it is impossible to create a parody of Fundamentalism that SOMEONE won't mistake for the real thing."

10 Christ-like figures that predate Jesus. Link shortened to Chris ate Jesus for some reason...
http://listverse.com/2009/04/13/10-chris...ate-jesus/

Good video to watch, if you want to know how common the Jesus story really is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88GTUXvp-50

A list of biblical contradictions from the infallible word of Yahweh.
http://infidels.org/library/modern/jim_m...tions.html

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#29
RE: Personhood
I'm still surprised he's been able to live this long on his own.
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#30
RE: Personhood
To call the baby a person is just a matter of showing sympathy toward the family. It's not a person but the people who reproduced, unsucessfully, to have it are persons. So you treat it as such unless you were in some kind of situation where it decreased the survivability of others.
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