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RE: Moral Dilemma
February 18, 2014 at 10:59 am
You're just asking a nasty question.
Your hypothetical tries to force us to choose between two exceptionally unpalatable courses of action. There is no way, within the survey, to express ones distaste of both alternatives. Which number is larger: a billion or a billion and one? Answer: they're both pretty huge though technically, a billion and one is bigger.
You might measure how much viewers select the third option, "don't answer" by the number of views compared to the number of viewers who vote. Even this only shows the proportion of your audience who can be so manipulated rather than just saying, 'fuck you.'
Fuck you
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat? 
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RE: Moral Dilemma
February 18, 2014 at 11:05 am
(February 18, 2014 at 10:33 am)EgoRaptor Wrote: (February 18, 2014 at 4:17 am)fr0d0 Wrote: I wouldn't rape the girl but the torture would torture me to the point my animal self took over. Then I'd rape the girl. He is not torturing you he is torturing the person you love most.
Which if I know about it (and I do, hence the conflict), then he is actually torturing me with that.
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RE: Moral Dilemma
February 18, 2014 at 11:10 am
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2014 at 11:15 am by EgoRaptor.)
(February 18, 2014 at 10:59 am)JuliaL Wrote: You're just asking a nasty question.
Your hypothetical tries to force us to choose between two exceptionally unpalatable courses of action. There is no way, within the survey, to express ones distaste of both alternatives. Which number is larger: a billion or a billion and one? Answer: they're both pretty huge though technically, a billion and one is bigger.
You might measure how much viewers select the third option, "don't answer" by the number of views compared to the number of viewers who vote. Even this only shows the proportion of your audience who can be so manipulated rather than just saying, 'fuck you.'
Fuck you That is the whole point. Both options are incredibly unpleasant.
(February 18, 2014 at 10:55 am)pocaracas Wrote: (February 18, 2014 at 10:33 am)EgoRaptor Wrote: Torture means sterilized needles under the fingernail, electric shocks in all most sensitive places, denailing, waterboarding, beating, light burning, cutting. Your loved one would be permanently crippled, but not dead.
Also you never actually get to see the psycho who kidnapped you. He gets thugs to knock you out & you wake up in the room.
So... there would be permanent damage done to the loved one...
Contrasting with not so permanent psychological damage done to the other girl...
Not a fair proposition, then...
Also, how would I come to know that I had to drill the girl?
How long would I have available to... coax her until the actual torturing began?
Details, details...
What sort of imprisonment was that? You would know because a distorted voice would come over a speaker & tell you what you have to do.
I don't know the details, because I didn't come up with this, but I will make it up. The room is about 30ft by 30ft. The ceiling is 10ft high. The walls are unbreakable. There is a bed in one corner, & a bathroom coming off of the room with a shower & toilet & stuff. There are no windows, but their are lights that you can turn on & off via a switch.
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RE: Moral Dilemma
February 18, 2014 at 11:18 am
(February 17, 2014 at 7:44 pm)EgoRaptor Wrote: Ok, so here is the dilemma, it is not my own I found it on NationStates.
A rich psycho has you kidnapped along with the person you love & a 14yo girl. He puts you in a chamber with the 14yo. He wants you to impregnate the girl. The problem is that the girl is saving herself til marriage, and you will have to rape her. Should you refuse the person you love most will be tortured until you knock up the girl.
If you are female than it is a 14yo boy, & assume he is weak enough to be overpowered.
What say you AF?
It depends how badly the girl I loved was being tortured, if it was horrendous torture then yeh I would rape the girl, overall there would be less suffering that way.
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
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RE: Moral Dilemma
February 18, 2014 at 11:20 am
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(February 18, 2014 at 11:10 am)EgoRaptor Wrote: (February 18, 2014 at 10:55 am)pocaracas Wrote: So... there would be permanent damage done to the loved one...
Contrasting with not so permanent psychological damage done to the other girl...
Not a fair proposition, then...
Also, how would I come to know that I had to drill the girl?
How long would I have available to... coax her until the actual torturing began?
Details, details...
What sort of imprisonment was that? You would know because a distorted voice would come over a speaker & tell you what you have to do.
I don't know the details, because I didn't come up with this, but I will make it up. The room is about 30ft by 30ft. The ceiling is 10ft high. The walls are unbreakable. There is a bed in one corner, & a bathroom coming off of the room with a shower & toilet & stuff. There are no windows, but their are lights that you can turn on & off via a switch. How do you get in or out?
How do you know the voice is telling you the truth?
How does the girl react to the plight of the other person's suffering?... Would it be possible for her to accept being impregnated?
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RE: Moral Dilemma
February 18, 2014 at 11:50 am
(This post was last modified: February 18, 2014 at 11:51 am by EgoRaptor.)
(February 18, 2014 at 11:20 am)pocaracas Wrote: (February 18, 2014 at 11:10 am)EgoRaptor Wrote: You would know because a distorted voice would come over a speaker & tell you what you have to do.
I don't know the details, because I didn't come up with this, but I will make it up. The room is about 30ft by 30ft. The ceiling is 10ft high. The walls are unbreakable. There is a bed in one corner, & a bathroom coming off of the room with a shower & toilet & stuff. There are no windows, but their are lights that you can turn on & off via a switch. How do you get in or out?
How do you know the voice is telling you the truth?
How does the girl react to the plight of the other person's suffering?... Would it be possible for her to accept being impregnated? There is a door, but it is made of thick steel & it is locked. There is a TV where it shows the person you love most's suffering should you refuse to rape the girl. The girl is dead set on saving herself for marriage. She feels bad but isn't willing to be impregnated.
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RE: Moral Dilemma
February 18, 2014 at 12:27 pm
(February 18, 2014 at 11:10 am)EgoRaptor Wrote: (February 18, 2014 at 10:59 am)JuliaL Wrote: Fuck you That is the whole point. Both options are incredibly unpleasant. ![[Image: images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWY5XTU4hyOSs4a1M0ZV6...s69kgMKeZg]](https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSWY5XTU4hyOSs4a1M0ZV6a8Au902zvxZSh2nM40ocws69kgMKeZg)
You seem to have thought I didn't know what you were doing. I was explaining why I didn't want to play. Silence could have been misapprehended as acceptance.
So how, exactly, does God know that She's NOT a brain in a vat?
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RE: Moral Dilemma
February 18, 2014 at 12:43 pm
Kobayashi maru....
I marry the girl! 
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RE: Moral Dilemma
February 18, 2014 at 3:49 pm
There is one other thing to consider. The child would be yours and the fucktard that set this up would have possession of your child. That would be unacceptable to me.
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RE: Moral Dilemma
February 18, 2014 at 4:42 pm
(February 18, 2014 at 3:49 pm)KUSA Wrote: There is one other thing to consider. The child would be yours and the fucktard that set this up would have possession of your child. That would be unacceptable to me.
That's a good point who would have possession of the child?
Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them.
Impersonation is treason.
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