The redneck strike again.

[James2014]

Because Buddhism like Hinduism like Christianity like Islam are religions.
Spirituality is long gone in these people so without spirituality it is very hard to perceive God.
The fact that some of these people practice meditation means absolutely nothing.
They use old mantras which are worthless.
What is written about Buddha is a load of rubbish.
How Buddha could not believe in God when the meaning of the mantra is...
......i am that entity......i am God?
The meaning of the mantra has always been the same but the sound
is not.

What mantra?! The oldest records of buddhism include no mantras! Again though, you say that religion has made meditation ineffective, it sounds to me like meditation then fails what it has set out to do, which is to allow people to see some truth. And if it could enable people to see the truth then how did the religion get started in the first place? It just does not make sense.

If i would get stuck on a island with no other food to eat other then
seafood then i would eat seafood as a temporary thing.
That does not mean that i am omnivore.
To be omnivore you got to have a digestive system that is able to cope
with saturated fats, cholesterol and toxins.
We human haven't got that system so it means that after sometime that
i eat a non-veg. diet my system will not be able to cope with that anymore.

A cow is not able to run after an animal to kill it and to cut his skin in order to get to the flesh that is why she would starve.
If she could do all this then she may well eat meat rather then starve.

Exactly it cannot because it is a herbivore, we can therefore we are an omnivore. Being an omnivore does not mean that meat is the most healthiest thing for us! No where is this included in any definition of omnivorous. But we are able to eat meat, even with its bad effects, and survive. Indeed in times of scarcity, as would have been common in the past, it would have been very good for us.

Ok. let us make an experiment to see if you could cope with the life of
our ancestors.
I send you back 3000 years in time.
You find yourself among people who can cope with that primitive life.
No roads, no cars, no fridge, no electricity with people who believe that
the earth is flat and is the center of the universe.
Their attitude is very simple.
If you are a man they can bash you up if you are a woman they will get you and rape you.
If you say that the earth is round and not flat they will hit you or burn you alive.
Their intellect is very very simple and can only work out simple things.
You automatically understand that your intellect is much more advance
and therefore it is obvious that also your nervous system is also more
sophisticate and a different nervous system require a different type of
treatment.

So you have no idea how our nervous systems are different. The alternative hypothesis to the one you suggest regarding why people believed that the earth was flat etc was because it coincided with their experience. Not because they were stupid. Indeed, how would you know the universe was not spherical without having some education in maths and geometry? Regardless the ancient Greeks did know the earth was round about 3000 years ago, so you argument is just wrong http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spherical_E...cal_Greece

And lets just say it was different, why would these differences mean that acupuncture works? If they were stupid enough to believe things that are wrong, just as a flat earth, then could they also not be stupid enough to believe that sticking needles into someone somehow magically cures disease?

[Little Rik]

You guys are running too fast with your fantasy.
Tomorrow when i have more time i will answer to
all your question.
In the meantime i only say one thing.
You contradict yourself time and time again.
Most of you say that you believe in evolution and
at the same time you say that the human nervous system hasn't change in the last few thousand years.
What a bullshit guys.
How the hell evolution can take place if there is no change?
How the hell can you guys be so stupid to think that
evolution occur without change?
This is a law of nature.
No change no evolution but evolution is there so change
must also be there.
Am i talking to intelligent people or to zombies?

[Tonus]

Someone educate this moron on the concept of time scales, please.

[Confused Ape]

Most of you say that you believe in evolution and
at the same time you say that the human nervous system hasn't change in the last few thousand years.

Ötzi is 5,000 years old. Studies included sequencing his genome.

Iceman Was A Medical Mess

If his nervous system was different to that of modern humans, the studies would have discovered it.

You seem to be under the impression that human intellect/intelligence has advanced in the past few thousand years. Our technology and scientific discoveries have but the pioneers in technology and science were people living thousands of years ago.

Ötzi lived around 3,300 BC. The Neolithic Revolution started 12,000 years ago.

Archaeological data indicates that the domestication of various types of plants and animals evolved in separate locations worldwide, starting in the geological epoch of the Holocene[2] around 12,000 years ago.[3]

However, the Neolithic Revolution involved far more than the adoption of a limited set of food-producing techniques. During the next millennia it would transform the small and mobile groups of hunter-gatherers that had hitherto dominated human history into sedentary societies based in built-up villages and towns. These societies radically modified their natural environment by means of specialized food-crop cultivation (e.g., irrigation and deforestation), and employed other technologies such as food storage, all of which allowed extensive surplus food production. These developments provided the basis for high population density settlements, specialization and division of labour, trading economies, the development of non-portable art, architecture, and culture, centralized administrations and political structures, hierarchical ideologies, depersonalized systems of knowledge (e.g., writing) and private property ownership.

When something has never been done before it takes a leap of imagination to come up with the idea and intelligence to figure out how to use it.

[Jason_ab]

Am i talking to intelligent people or to zombies?

No reason being rude, man.
Human beings have two ears and one mouth for a reason.

About the evolution thing... couple of thousant of years don't really make a difference.
Homo sapiens has been around about 500.000 years now and homo sapiens sapiens about 200.000 years now.

[Rampant.A.I.]

You guys are running too fast with your fantasy.

Tomorrow when i have more time i will answer to
all your question.
In the meantime i only say one thing.
You contradict yourself time and time again.
Most of you say that you believe in evolution and
at the same time you say that the human nervous system hasn't change in the last few thousand years.
What a bullshit guys.
How the hell evolution can take place if there is no change?
How the hell can you guys be so stupid to think that
evolution occur without change?
This is a law of nature.
No change no evolution but evolution is there so change
must also be there.
Am i talking to intelligent people or to zombies? :thinking::confused-fall::thinking:

It's the length of time required for evolutionary changes to things like the nervous system. Two thousand years is not enough time to make the human CNS "completely different" as you claim it to be. However, if you believe in rapid holistic evolution, perhaps you could go read a couple books on evolution over your break, and come back with a better evolved understanding of the theory.

All you have right now are appeals to magical thinking.

[Little Rik]

It's the length of time required for evolutionary changes to things like the nervous system. Two thousand years is not enough time to make the human CNS "completely different" as you claim it to be. However, if you believe in rapid holistic evolution, perhaps you could go read a couple books on evolution over your break, and come back with a better evolved understanding of the theory. All you have right now are appeals to magical thinking.

Very or quite different (what i said) is DIFFERENT from COMPLETELY different (what you say i said).
Your misquote does not help to understand much.
Some of you even said that in the last few thousand years nothing change
or there is no difference.
Garbage.
Even a small difference make the difference.
If i drive at 60 km hour i can stop in time to prevent an accident.
If i drive at 63 km hour i can not stop in time so a tiny difference make the difference between killing a pedestrian and not killing.
At the same time a brain a little bit more developed is able to do things that a brain less developed can not do.
In 3000 years the difference is much more then tiny that is why i said that the difference can be dramatic.
Why is that so?
It works as the avalanche.
In the beginning the speed is slow but as it goes down it take speed and
after a while the speed is at her maximum.
The same thing happen with human consciousness.
For a million of years it has moved very very slow.
In the last 15000 years the speed has improve and in the last
few thousand years has gone even faster
But now at every step it goes faster and faster.
You just look at the technological progress.
Almost no progress until few hundred years ago but now
is going very fast and it will go even faster in the future.
If i would follow you guys demented ideas then i would have
to understand that there is no the avalanche syndrome and
the progress works in a different way.
Get real guys you still live in a world of total fantasy.

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If his nervous system was different to that of modern humans, the studies would have discovered it.

You are presuming that today studies are able to discover these differences.
I got bad news for you.
Physical science can not in any way find out what does not
belong to to physical science like the consciousness.
By looking at the nervous system you may not find
much differences but differences got to be there otherwise
the snow man and his people would have invented what we
got these days rather then go around without the today
technology.

You seem to be under the impression that human intellect/intelligence has advanced in the past few thousand years. Our technology and scientific discoveries have but the pioneers in technology and science were people living thousands of years ago.

You forgot a small particular.
In every ages there has been skilled individual
but the percentage in the old times was very
very small compared to these days.
When you got 1 extra skilled person among
a crowd of a million people it will be very difficult
for this chap to do anything worthwhile.
It is more likely that he-she may be burn alive
as a mad man or as a witch for their ideas.

[Confused Ape]

The same thing happen with human consciousness.
For a million of years it has moved very very slow.
In the last 15000 years the speed has improve and in the last
few thousand years has gone even faster
But now at every step it goes faster and faster.

How are you defining consciousness? How are humans as a species more conscious today when we still have wars, religions, ridiculous superstitions and have exchanged fairy abductions for alien abductions etc.? The things that drove our ancestors still drive us today.

You just look at the technological progress.
Almost no progress until few hundred years ago but now
is going very fast and it will go even faster in the future.

What does consciousness have to do with technological progress? If we're so superior to people in the past, why has our species spent so many resources developing and making more efficient ways of killing other humans? Then there's the fact that our rapid technological progress in the past few hundred years has had a devastating effect on the planet and other species of animals.

Let's say that Ötzi's nervous system really was subtly different to ours and those tattoo marks prove that there was a form of acupuncture treatment back then. His health problems, which were revealed by the studies, show that the treatment didn't work. This goes against your idea that acupuncture was more effective a few thousand years ago because people had different nervous systems.

[Little Rik]

What mantra?! The oldest records of buddhism include no mantras!

Meditation without a mantra is no meditation.
You can call it contemplation but not meditation.
Buddha was practicing tantric meditation which
involve a mantra.
Even Lord Shiva that live well before Buddha
teach tantric meditation so mantra meditation was
there before Buddha.

Again though, you say that religion has made meditation ineffective, it sounds to me like meditation then fails what it has set out to do, which is to allow people to see some truth. And if it could enable people to see the truth then how did the religion get started in the first place? It just does not make sense.

What does not make sense is your guessing.
Meditation lead to spirituality but spirituality
stay spirituality and get better only if you make
the effort of cultivate it.
If not this spirituality get weaker and weaker until
it disappear for good and the dogma (religions)
creep in.
You just try to grow a plant.
In the beginning you care very much so she get
everything she need.
After sometime you lose interest and stop looking
after the plant.
How you think the plant will grow?
Try to ponder your thought before you come
down with this non-sense James.

A cow is not able to run after an animal to kill it and to cut his skin in order to get to the flesh that is why she would starve.
If she could do all this then she may well eat meat rather then starve.

Exactly it cannot because it is a herbivore, we can therefore we are an omnivore. Being an omnivore does not mean that meat is the most healthiest thing for us! No where is this included in any definition of omnivorous. But we are able to eat meat, even with its bad effects, and survive. Indeed in times of scarcity, as would have been common in the past, it would have been very good for us.

What a load of garbage James.
We got the hands so we can kill
but with the hands we can also eat, drink,
build technology and so many other things.
So you are saying that we should use the hands
to do whatever we can do them?
Take the atom.
With it we can build a bomb and kill million
but with it we can also use it to create more
technology.
Are you saying that we should use the atom for both?
You got to be sick James! hock:

So you have no idea how our nervous systems are different. The alternative hypothesis to the one you suggest regarding why people believed that the earth was flat etc was because it coincided with their experience. Not because they were stupid. Indeed, how would you know the universe was not spherical without having some education in maths and geometry? Regardless the ancient Greeks did know the earth was round about 3000 years ago, so you argument is just wrong

Very few Greeks among the Greek population and among
the global population knew.
Does this means that the exception is the rule?

And lets just say it was different, why would these differences mean that acupuncture works? If they were stupid enough to believe things that are wrong, just as a flat earth, then could they also not be stupid enough to believe that sticking needles into someone somehow magically cures disease?

As the time goes the things change.
What make sense 3000 years ago these days
is outdated.
Would you carry goods on a donkey back
or would you use a van?

[James2014]

Meditation without a mantra is no meditation.
You can call it contemplation but not meditation.

What are you talking about? This is just nonsense, Buddhists do most of their meditation without mindlessly repeating some nonsensical phrases, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anapanasati Perhaps you using your "intuition" again? You call your beliefs spiritualism, but really you are nothing more than a religious fanatic, denying reality to justify your own messed up beliefs.

What a load of garbage James.
We got the hands so we can kill
but with the hands we can also eat, drink,
build technology and so many other things.
So you are saying that we should use the hands
to do whatever we can do them?
Take the atom.
With it we can build a bomb and kill million
but with it we can also use it to create more
technology.
Are you saying that we should use the atom for both?
You got to be sick James!

More fanatical ravings with a few straw men thrown in there. All an omnivore is, is an animal with physiological adaptations to be able to eat both meat and plants. It says NOTHING about what we should do. Do you get it? You admitted our intestines are shorter than herbivores, and are the same length as most omnivores. That makes us omnivores. It does not mean we should eat animals though.

Very few Greeks among the Greek population and among
the global population knew.
Does this means that the exception is the rule?

So they were somehow different to everyone else? How do you know? More evidence of your "intuition"

As the time goes the things change.
What make sense 3000 years ago these days
is outdated.
Would you carry goods on a donkey back
or would you use a van?

So you have failed to address my point. If there were changes, then what changes are these? what genes were altered? You don't know because you don't understand even simple scientific concepts. Your arguments lack any reasoning beyond your own idiotic "intuitions". You are a religious fanatic who has spent too much time meditating and not enough reading books.