The redneck strike again.

[Angrboda]

I suspect one of two things.

Either he's really this stupid, or, it's a marketing strategy, to never admit you're wrong, so you can sell Ananda Marga to people with short attention spans.

[Rampant.A.I.]

Or peyote. Lots and lots of peyote.

[Tonus]

Riketto, l think its pretty obvious you are just a troll. I think you are on this forum to make vegans look like idiots, something you have done remarkably well at!

I don't think anyone will judge vegans based on Rik's insane rambling. He seems to be a raving loon when it comes to any number of topics, so at worst he is just a bad example of humanity in general. If the aliens ever come, we'll need to hide him for sure. But if low-carbers want to use him as a poster boy for everything wrong with vegetarianism, I wouldn't get too worked up.

[Little Rik]

Why an intelligent person would follow a troll?
Why wasting your precious time with a troll?
Only idiots follow another idiot.
But let me explain how the system works in your case.
Your intellect tell you that you are dealing with a troll
but your subconscious tell you otherwise.
The intellect can only perceive a tiny amount of
knowledge but your subconscious always knows everything.
As you are in a state on denial about almost everything
it is obvious that your conscious can not do his job properly.
Yet this conscious is always there to push you to go ahead
in search for the truth that is why you keep on follow me
or anyone else that speak the opposite of your beliefs.
But as the old granny said......IS NEVER TOO LATE.

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http://honestlyhealthyfood.com/2013/12/06/toxic-meat/

The article doesn't say that humans aren't designed to eat meat because it ends with -

Choose organic, locally sourced meat & especially wild meats.

The article talk about toxins in meat.
This has nothing to do with vegetarianism or not.
You asked me about toxins and i provide info. about toxins, right?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18991542

This is about carcasses contaminated with E.coli strains of bacteria in a slaughterhouse. Some of the strains were resistant to various antibiotics.

Some poison come from here (slaughterhouse contamination) some from there (toxins build up by animals in fear).
One more reason for keeping away from this sort of dung (meat).

What people eat these days is farm animals and animals kept in cages so this is a recipe for total disaster.

Yes, I know because I did all the research and posted that information.

Good.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

TOXINS

[Confused Ape]

The article talk about toxins in meat.
This has nothing to do with vegetarianism or not.

It has a lot to do with vegetarianism because some vegans and vegetarians insist that humans can't cope with the toxins because they aren't omnivores. Not all vegetarians agree that humans aren't omnivores because I found this article on the Vegetarian Resource Group website - Humans Are Omnivores

Introduction

There are a number of popular myths about vegetarianism that have no scientific basis in fact. One of these myths is that man is naturally a vegetarian because our bodies resemble plant eaters, not carnivores. In fact we are omnivores, capable of either eating meat or plant foods. The following addresses the unscientific theory of man being only a plant eater.

Conclusion

Humans are classic examples of omnivores in all relevant anatomical traits. There is no basis in anatomy or physiology for the assumption that humans are pre-adapted to the vegetarian diet. For that reason, the best arguments in support of a meat-free diet remain ecological, ethical, and health concerns.

[Dr. McArdle is a vegetarian and currently Scientific Advisor to The American Anti-Vivisection Society. He is an anatomist and a primatologist.

Some poison come from here (slaughterhouse contamination) some from there (toxins build up by animals in fear).
One more reason for keeping away from this sort of dung (meat).

I'm an ovo-lacto vegetarian. I can think of good reasons for not eating meat - conditions in factory farms and slaughterhouses etc. - but pseudo-science isn't one of them.

[Little Rik]

[quote='Riketto' pid='672378' dateline='1400411286']
The article talk about toxins in meat.
This has nothing to do with vegetarianism or not.

It has a lot to do with vegetarianism because some vegans and vegetarians insist that humans can't cope with the toxins because they aren't omnivores. Not all vegetarians agree that humans aren't omnivores because I found this article on the Vegetarian Resource Group website - Humans Are Omnivores

Oh, my God!!!
You don't get it, do you?
You can search here and there, forth and back and at the end you
still are in the middle of nowhere as one theory is contradicted by the next.
Even your link that say that man is omnivore at the end say...........
........."When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores."

Quoted from an editorial by William Clifford Roberts, M.d., Editor-in-Chief of the American Journal of Cardiology:

So how do you work it out whether man is veg. or omnivore?
The best way is to see whether man can deal with saturated fats,
cholesterol and toxins.
If he can is omnivore, if not is veg.
Guess what is the answer?

[Confused Ape]

You can search here and there, forth and back and at the end you
still are in the middle of nowhere as one theory is contradicted by the next.
Even your link that say that man is omnivore at the end say...........
........."When we kill animals to eat them, they end up killing us because their flesh, which contains cholesterol and saturated fat, was never intended for human beings, who are natural herbivores."

Quoted from an editorial by William Clifford Roberts, M.d., Editor-in-Chief of the American Journal of Cardiology:

That was in the Appendix - Other Thoughts. What you conveniently overlooked was -

The following information is taken from The New York Times, May 15, 1979. According to Dr. Alan Walker, a Johns Hopkins University anthropologist, Homo Erectus, the species immediately ancestorial to our own Homo Sapiens, had evidence of an omnivorous diet. Every Homo-Erectus tooth found was that of an omnivore. However, a small sample of teeth from the human-like species during a 12 million year period leading up to the Homo-Erectus period, indicates the earlier species may have been a fruit eater. Even if this species, way before our own, lived on a fruit diet, they probably would not have consumed what we consider typical fruits. Hundreds of plants produce fruits that are tougher, more substantial foods than what we eat today.

This is talking about our evolutionary history - by the time we get to Homo-Erectus our ancestors had become omnivores.

Quoted from "WHAT DID OUR ANCESTORS EAT?" in Nutrition Reviews, by Stanley Garn, Professor of Nutrition and Anthropology, and William Leonard, Assistant Professor of Human Biology:

"These people of Upper Pleistocene, and later those of the mesolithic, were our immediate ancestors, no longer hunters exclusively and with whole-grain products and a variable amount of roots, fruits, leafy vegetables and nuts in their diet. We must grant them a mixed diet, with animal fat providing a smaller proportion of their food energy than was probably true for the Neanderthals."

So how do you work it out whether man is veg. or omnivore?
The best way is to see whether man can deal with saturated fats,
cholesterol and toxins.
If he can is omnivore, if not is veg.
Guess what is the answer?

You've obviously forgotten those articles I mentioned in Post #593 of this topic so I'll repost everything here.

You Are What Your Food Eats

Scientists at the USDA Agricultural Research Service have found evidence linking animal stress to the production of lower quality food. [FN140] Additionally, studies show that when cattle are pasture-raised and grass-fed, their beef naturally has lower levels of total fat than feedlot-raised and corn-fed cattle. [FN141] This finding is important because research consistently shows a strong correlation between diets high in total fat and saturated fat and an elevated risk of heart disease. [FN142] Saturated fat in particular raises the level of low-density lipoprotein, the artery-clogging type of cholesterol, in the blood, which may lead to coronary heart disease. [FN143] Saturated fat is also linked to diabetes, cancer, and a host of other diseases. [FN144] The main sources of unhealthy saturated fats in the American diet are from beef, cheese, and milk.

The Inuit Paraqdox

A key difference in the typical Nunavik Inuit’s diet is that more than 50 percent of the calories in Inuit native foods come from fats. Much more important, the fats come from wild animals.

Wild-animal fats are different from both farm-animal fats and processed fats, says Dewailly. Farm animals, cooped up and stuffed with agricultural grains (carbohydrates) typically have lots of solid, highly saturated fat. Much of our processed food is also riddled with solid fats, or so-called trans fats, such as the reengineered vegetable oils and shortenings cached in baked goods and snacks. “A lot of the packaged food on supermarket shelves contains them. So do commercial french fries,” Dewailly adds.

Wild animals that range freely and eat what nature intended, says Dewailly, have fat that is far more healthful. Less of their fat is saturated, and more of it is in the monounsaturated form (like olive oil). What’s more, cold-water fishes and sea mammals are particularly rich in polyunsaturated fats called n-3 fatty acids or omega-3 fatty acids. These fats appear to benefit the heart and vascular system. But the polyunsaturated fats in most Americans’ diets are the omega-6 fatty acids supplied by vegetable oils. By contrast, whale blubber consists of 70 percent monounsaturated fat and close to 30 percent omega-3s, says Dewailly.

Inuit health deteriorated when they adopted Western style diets which included meat from farm animals fed on agricultural grains.

I went to the Ananda Margo site and found this article about the Anando Margo Diet.

You can get more than enough protein and other essential nutrients by eating a balanced vegetarian diet of fruits, vegetables, grains, legumes, dairy products, nuts and seeds. A vegan diet (without dairy products) is also adequate, as long as you eat enough protein-rich whole-grains, legumes, nuts and seeds.

First of all, there are ethical considerations to be taken into account when it comes to Dairy Cattle but advising people to eat dairy products is only useful to humans who have Lactase Persistence.

Lactase persistence is the continued activity of the enzyme lactase in adulthood. Since lactase's only function is the digestion of lactose in milk, in most mammal species the activity of the enzyme is dramatically reduced after weaning.[1] However in some human populations lactase persistence has recently evolved[2] as an adaptation to the consumption of non-human milk and dairy products beyond infancy. The majority of people around the world remain lactase non-persistent,[1] and consequently are affected by varying degrees of lactose intolerance as adults – though not all genetically lactase non-persistent individuals are noticeably lactose intolerant, and not all lactose intolerant individuals have the lactase non-persistence allele.

Evolutionary History

The ability to digest lactose into adulthood (lactase persistence) would have only been useful to humans after the invention of animal husbandry and the domestication of animal species that could provide a consistent source of milk. Hunter-gatherer populations before the Neolithic revolution were overwhelmingly lactose intolerant,[48][49] as are modern hunter-gatherers. Genetic studies suggest that the oldest mutations associated with lactase persistence only reached appreciable levels in human populations in the last ten thousand years.[50][51] Therefore lactase persistence is often cited as an example of both recent human evolution[52][53] and, as lactase persistence is a genetic trait but animal husbandry a cultural trait, gene-culture coevolution in the mutual human-animal symbiosis initiated with the advent of agriculture.[54]

Hunter gatherers who ate meat from wild animals managed to colonise most of the planet and humans living this lifestyle are still to be found in places like Papua New Guinea. Humans who settled down to animal husbandry evolved lactase tolerance but this mutation hasn't spread to every human on the planet.

The typical Western diet including meat from animals fed on unnatural foodstuffs has only been around since the 20th century. Humans are now dropping like flies from it because we aren't designed to cope with all the junk in junk foods.

[Bad Wolf]

Ape, you are wasting your time. Ricky knows he is right because he thinks he is right. Every piece of evidence that appears to support his ideas are paraded around for us to see, while every piece of evidence that contradicts his ideas are completely ignored and glossed over. His mind is an example of what happens to a human being when they are not taught critical thinking skills. He will never change his mind, so there is no point in trying.

[Confused Ape]

Ape, you are wasting your time. Ricky knows he is right because he thinks he is right. Every piece of evidence that appears to support his ideas are paraded around for us to see, while every piece of evidence that contradicts his ideas are completely ignored and glossed over. His mind is an example of what happens to a human being when they are not taught critical thinking skills. He will never change his mind, so there is no point in trying.

I'm not wasting my time because this topic has given me reasons to research various things. I'm learning a lot from it even if Riketto isn't.

How Do Giant Pandas Survive on Bamboo?

A new analysis of panda poop has finally answered an age-old question: How do giant pandas survive on a diet that's 99 percent bamboo when they have the guts of carnivores?

Wei and colleagues found that pandas' digestive tracts do in fact contain bacteria similar to those in the intestines of herbivores.

Thirteen of the bacteria species that the team identified are from a family known to break down cellulose, but seven of those species are unique to pandas.

Even with help from gut bugs, pandas don't derive much nutrition from bamboo—a panda digests just 17 percent of the 20 to 30 pounds (9 to 14 kilograms) of dry food it eats each day. This explains why pandas also evolved a sluggish, energy-conserving lifestyle.

This indicates that there's more to diet than guts alone.