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RE: Ok I admit it
March 4, 2014 at 2:40 pm
(March 4, 2014 at 2:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (March 4, 2014 at 2:21 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Did you guys ever think my mom just saw an angel?
Here are just some of the hurdles she would have to clear to convince us:
1. Provide demonstrable evidence that she observed something external to herself. That there was a real phenomena to even examine.
2. Provide demonstrable evidence that it did not have a natural explanation.
3. Provide demonstrable evidence that the supernatural exists.
4. Provide demonstrable evidence that angels exist as part of the supernatural.
5. Provide demonstrable evidence that what she saw actually fit the definition of an angel.
Etc, etc...
Until there is some real phenomena that is observable, there is no reason to include the possibility that she saw an angel. There are just too many natural explanations for what she claims she saw.
Or you could just take my word for it and know I have no reason to lie.
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 4, 2014 at 2:43 pm
(March 4, 2014 at 2:40 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Or you could just take my word for it and know I have no reason to lie.
I think I'll pass.
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 4, 2014 at 2:43 pm
(March 4, 2014 at 2:40 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Or you could just take my word for it and know I have no reason to lie.
No, because you could just be mistaken
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm
(March 4, 2014 at 2:40 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: (March 4, 2014 at 2:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Here are just some of the hurdles she would have to clear to convince us:
1. Provide demonstrable evidence that she observed something external to herself. That there was a real phenomena to even examine.
2. Provide demonstrable evidence that it did not have a natural explanation.
3. Provide demonstrable evidence that the supernatural exists.
4. Provide demonstrable evidence that angels exist as part of the supernatural.
5. Provide demonstrable evidence that what she saw actually fit the definition of an angel.
Etc, etc...
Until there is some real phenomena that is observable, there is no reason to include the possibility that she saw an angel. There are just too many natural explanations for what she claims she saw.
Or you could just take my word for it and know I have no reason to lie.
Just like you take all the alleged alien abducties word that they were truly abducted by aliens, right?
Please just come clean that you're a POE already. You can't actually be as stupid as you are making yourself out to be.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm
(March 4, 2014 at 2:43 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: (March 4, 2014 at 2:40 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: Or you could just take my word for it and know I have no reason to lie.
I think I'll pass.
That basically summarises the Bible
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm
I just don't get it, why even be an atheist? I mean, what is positive about being an atheist over just having a faith?
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm
(March 4, 2014 at 2:40 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: (March 4, 2014 at 2:37 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Here are just some of the hurdles she would have to clear to convince us:
1. Provide demonstrable evidence that she observed something external to herself. That there was a real phenomena to even examine.
2. Provide demonstrable evidence that it did not have a natural explanation.
3. Provide demonstrable evidence that the supernatural exists.
4. Provide demonstrable evidence that angels exist as part of the supernatural.
5. Provide demonstrable evidence that what she saw actually fit the definition of an angel.
Etc, etc...
Until there is some real phenomena that is observable, there is no reason to include the possibility that she saw an angel. There are just too many natural explanations for what she claims she saw.
Or you could just take my word for it and know I have no reason to lie.
Not true.
By your own admission you're here to convert people to your religion.
Many theists will resort to lies to do so.
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"You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 4, 2014 at 2:45 pm
(March 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: I just don't get it, why even be an atheist? I mean, what is positive about being an atheist over just having a faith?
So you have a faith because you may as well?
Become a Jedi then. It's still a crock of shite.
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 4, 2014 at 2:46 pm
(March 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: I just don't get it, why even be an atheist? I mean, what is positive about being an atheist over just having a faith?
It's like having free will without the bloodthirsty asshole hanging over your shoulder.
"Well, evolution is a theory. It is also a fact. And facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Facts don't go away when scientists debate rival theories to explain them. Einstein's theory of gravitation replaced Newton's in this century, but apples didn't suspend themselves in midair, pending the outcome. And humans evolved from ape- like ancestors whether they did so by Darwin's proposed mechanism or by some other yet to be discovered."
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RE: Ok I admit it
March 4, 2014 at 2:46 pm
(March 4, 2014 at 2:46 pm)Tonus Wrote: (March 4, 2014 at 2:44 pm)JesusLover1 Wrote: I just don't get it, why even be an atheist? I mean, what is positive about being an atheist over just having a faith?
It's like having free will without the bloodthirsty asshole hanging over your shoulder.
But God is love.
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