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Thanks, Jesus...One More Dead Kid
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RE: Thanks, Jesus...One More Dead Kid
(March 15, 2014 at 2:16 am)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Apparently you don't know that the old testament is all about Christ, and that particular story is symbolizing Christ (the ram) taking the place of the sinner (Issac).

Another dickhead who thinks he can tell jews how to be jews on the basis of his made up crap.

Their made-up crap came long before yours, sonny.

If you had any understanding you would see how the fate of the Jews and Gentiles tie in together. Let's take the story of Joseph for example.

Joseph(representing Jesus) had twelve brothers (representing the 12 tribes of Israel) and to make a long story short, Joseph had a coat of many colors (which we know the rainbow represents a promise) symbolizing Joseph as the promised son (the messiah). Josephs brothers were jealous of him and sold him into slavery for 20 pieces of silver, then reported to their father that Joseph had been killed (he later finds out he is alive representing the death and resurrection of Jesus).

Eventually Joseph ends up in a dungeon were he meets the butler and baker (Jesus and the two thieves) he tells the butler he will be restored back to his position (Jesus tells one of the thieves that he will be in paradise) and the other will be executed.

Soon Joseph is placed in charge of Egypt and marries a gentile (Jesus ascends to the right hand of God and being rejected of the Jews goes to the gentiles).

Eventually there is a famine and Joseph's (Jesus) brothers (the Jews) come to Egypt buy food, but when they stand before Joseph they don't recognize their own brother (the same way the Jews don't recognize Jesus as their messiah). But after a while he reveals himself to his brothers (after Jesus is done with the gentiles he then returns to the Jews and reveals himself to be the messiah, and this is also when the prophecies concerning the messiah are fulfilled).

Genesis 45
1 Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried , Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren. 2 And he wept aloud : and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard . 3 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I am Joseph; doth my father yet live? And his brethren could not answer him; for they were troubled at his presence.

The Prophecy of Jesus revealing himself to the Jews after the battle of Armageddon (from the old testament btw).

Zechariah 12
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced , and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

(March 15, 2014 at 2:33 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote: I was going to touch on that head on, but figured I'd leave it couched in my reply to see if he'd catch it, but cat's out of the bag.

Apparently you don't know as much as you thought you did.
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#72
RE: Thanks, Jesus...One More Dead Kid
(March 15, 2014 at 12:06 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(March 14, 2014 at 11:00 pm)Aral Gamelon Wrote: Your god is a capricious, insecure monster.
let's say this is true for the sake of argument. Explain how defying him is going to work out for you?
If he is a capricious and insecure monster, then defying him is likely not to be treated any different than sucking up to him.
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#73
RE: Thanks, Jesus...One More Dead Kid
(March 15, 2014 at 11:55 am)Tonus Wrote:
(March 15, 2014 at 12:06 am)Huggy74 Wrote: let's say this is true for the sake of argument. Explain how defying him is going to work out for you?
If he is a capricious and insecure monster, then defying him is likely not to be treated any different than sucking up to him.

Plus we'll save 10% of our income and sleep in on Sundays while we're on this Earth. SCORE!
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#74
RE: Thanks, Jesus...One More Dead Kid
(March 15, 2014 at 12:06 am)Huggy74 Wrote: let's say this is true for the sake of argument. Explain how defying him is going to work out for you?

Spoken like a true sycophant.
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#75
RE: Thanks, Jesus...One More Dead Kid
(March 15, 2014 at 11:55 am)Tonus Wrote:
(March 15, 2014 at 12:06 am)Huggy74 Wrote: let's say this is true for the sake of argument. Explain how defying him is going to work out for you?
If he is a capricious and insecure monster, then defying him is likely not to be treated any different than sucking up to him.

That was a difficult realisation that hurt me a lot in the last few years. I got to where I am now when considering that circumstance.
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#76
RE: Thanks, Jesus...One More Dead Kid
(March 10, 2014 at 1:24 pm)ronedee Wrote:
(March 10, 2014 at 1:21 pm)LastPoet Wrote: The twinkie exists...

Uh...no it dosen't!

It lived once but low sales put it to death!

Now Jesus? He got killed....but He's back! Thus your arrival here to talk about Him!

So...uh...YES He does exist! YOU are proof of that!

Uh, yes it does. Provable resurrection, dickhead.
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#77
RE: Thanks, Jesus...One More Dead Kid
(March 10, 2014 at 1:24 pm)ronedee Wrote: So...uh...YES He does exist! YOU are proof of that!

er, how are we?
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#78
RE: Thanks, Jesus...One More Dead Kid
(March 15, 2014 at 9:57 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Apparently you don't know as much as you thought you did.

Oh look, kitten's got claws. Too bad they're so dull. Angel

Take your droll symbology and your arrogance elsewhere, I (and I daresay most on the forum) have heard it all before and... well I'll be damned I still find it lacking and laughable that you (and others of like-mind) think an omni-scient/potent/present god couldn't find a better way to communicate outside of couched, allegorical meanings that have to be left to the speculation of confirmation-seeking crackpot apologists in a compilation of writings. (Not to mention the lackluster bloodthirsty commands, the shoddy emotional proddings, the cliche threats of eternal punishment and the complete lack of continuity and perfection that one should bloody well expect from a fucking god).

Any questions sweetheart?
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(September 17, 2015 at 4:04 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: I make change in the coin tendered. If you want courteous treatment, behave courteously. Preaching at me and calling me immoral is not courteous behavior.
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#79
RE: Thanks, Jesus...One More Dead Kid
(March 15, 2014 at 9:57 am)Huggy74 Wrote:
(March 15, 2014 at 2:16 am)Minimalist Wrote: Another dickhead who thinks he can tell jews how to be jews on the basis of his made up crap.

Their made-up crap came long before yours, sonny.

If you had any understanding you would see how the fate of the Jews and Gentiles tie in together. Let's take the story of Joseph for example.

Joseph(representing Jesus) had twelve brothers (representing the 12 tribes of Israel) and to make a long story short, Joseph had a coat of many colors (which we know the rainbow represents a promise) symbolizing Joseph as the promised son (the messiah). Josephs brothers were jealous of him and sold him into slavery for 20 pieces of silver, then reported to their father that Joseph had been killed (he later finds out he is alive representing the death and resurrection of Jesus).

Eventually Joseph ends up in a dungeon were he meets the butler and baker (Jesus and the two thieves) he tells the butler he will be restored back to his position (Jesus tells one of the thieves that he will be in paradise) and the other will be executed.

Soon Joseph is placed in charge of Egypt and marries a gentile (Jesus ascends to the right hand of God and being rejected of the Jews goes to the gentiles).

Eventually there is a famine and Joseph's (Jesus) brothers (the Jews) come to Egypt buy food, but when they stand before Joseph they don't recognize their own brother (the same way the Jews don't recognize Jesus as their messiah). But after a while he reveals himself to his brothers (after Jesus is done with the gentiles he then returns to the Jews and reveals himself to be the messiah, and this is also when the prophecies concerning the messiah are fulfilled).

Genesis 45
1 Then Joseph could not refrain himself before all them that stood by him; and he cried , Cause every man to go out from me. And there stood no man with him, while Joseph made himself known unto his brethren. 2 And he wept aloud : and the Egyptians and the house of Pharaoh heard . 3 And Joseph said unto his brethren, I am Joseph; doth my father yet live? And his brethren could not answer him; for they were troubled at his presence.

The Prophecy of Jesus revealing himself to the Jews after the battle of Armageddon (from the old testament btw).

Zechariah 12
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem. 10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced , and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. 11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.

(March 15, 2014 at 2:33 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote: I was going to touch on that head on, but figured I'd leave it couched in my reply to see if he'd catch it, but cat's out of the bag.

Apparently you don't know as much as you thought you did.

That's an interesting analysis. I haven't read it anything about the connection before. Is it something that you came up with by yourself? If so, way to go! It sounds like something Mormons believe. But it's a good analysis just the same. Thanks for sharing.
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