You! Get into the closet! Quick!

[binny]

That was one sad story. I go to a chiropractor. I wonder if he's that way?
Say what you want about chiropractors, but since I've been going I have much less back pain. All the regular dr.'s did for me was pat me on the head, give me muscle relaxers and Vicodin then send me home. Not that I mind the Vicodin, but to just ignore my complaints for 11 years before I could get an x-ray out of them is ridiculous. I feel like going back to every one of those quacks with the x-ray saying "See you bastards. It's a compressed disk, not muscular!" Fuckers.

[Eilonnwy]

Chiropractic medicine is tricky. There is a legitimate application for back pain and such that is just as good as a pill or other forms of medicine.

It's the Chiropractic medicine that tries to claim it heals all diseases through spinal manipulation that is smells of really bad pseudoscience

[binny]

Although my chiropractor has never made that exact claim he has said that when the spine is aligned then people generally start to eat better, have more energy and feel better all around. Since I've been going my back does feel better and I am able to move a little better, but I have not noticed any better food choices (I had a snicker doodle for breakfast, yum) or more energy. As far as my whole being feeling better, except for my back I feel the same.

[rjh4 is back]

You miss the point, religion should not even come up. Unless you're trying to be a priest or something religiously orientated, it's not relevant.

I did not miss your point that you think religion should not come up. I just did not think it was that relevant to what I was saying. The fact is, for you the question might not be relevant but maybe it and the answer is relevant to the person asking the question.

[Rhizomorph13]

Which brings us back to someone eliminating Dotard as a work source based on religious prejudice. I think we all get that you, rjh4, would find the answer, "I'm an atheist." much more truthful, which it would be, but the fact is that many people would deselect someone if they were not a Christian.

Rhizo

[Craveman]

My atheism.

Like Binny, I work for myself. A comment made by her hit home and I realized I'm not so alone.

When on a job that part of me has to to be locked in the closet.

It just grates my cheese when a customer starts in with the "Oh thank Jesus, praise God he sent you here." (I thought it was their phone call to me that sent me there(?)) when the repairs are minor and inexpensive.

When giving bad news, major repairs/expensive I get asked "Are you Christian?" as if they are judging my honesty by asking this question.

Or even worse they start 'witnessing' to me and that part of me locked in that closet also needs to be bound and gagged because I got a $1800 job staring at me and honesty about that aspect of my life most likely would cost me that job. So I force myself to 'play the part' and I respond "Oh yes, Jesus, Jesus, Jesus, Halleluja. Praise God! etc etc etc ad nauseum...."

Anyone else? Anyone else here who's very bread and butter, who's very livelyhood would be threatened if they gave honest answers or responses to religious actions by others? Have you ever taken a chance and been honest and it cost you a job or money in some way?

Before coming over to the UK, I had my own electrical business for a few years. On one of my jobs, I was sub-contracting for this one builder who was a very devout Christian. He use to tell me pretty much every day how wonderful God is and what a wonderful and devout Christian he was. I really don't mind if any person is religious, I just don't like it when they preach to me all day long.

This very same Christian guy never paid me for the 2 weeks of work that I've done for him. He lied and said that the client never paid him the money, therefore he couldn't pay me in return (the client confirmed payment...) I couldn't even take him to court because we only had a verbal contract. He got recommended by someone and because he was such a devout Christian the thought that he might stitch me up never even occur.

[rjh4 is back]

He use to tell me pretty much every day how wonderful God is and what a wonderful and devout Christian he was.

IMO once someone starts saying what a wonderful and devout Christian they are, it is time to be cautious about that person as they usually are not as wonderful and devout as they think they are.

[leo-rcc]

We actually had an occasion that was pretty funny. I was still working for an IT company that handled the IT for small companies that were too small for their own IT department. One of them was a foundation for reformed churches. They wanted us to have their office hooked up to the internet (very high tech at the time) and design their webpage. So we made our standard package en went to their office to sign the deal. The director had the pen in his hand, ready to sign. And then he saw the name of the provider. Demon internet.

[Eilonnwy]

I did not miss your point that you think religion should not come up. I just did not think it was that relevant to what I was saying. The fact is, for you the question might not be relevant but maybe it and the answer is relevant to the person asking the question.

Sure, maybe to that person it matters. But it's illegal to discriminate against someone for religion, except, a religious job like priest, obviously. So hence, it should never even come up.

Of course, as Dotard explained, just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen and it's hard to pursue a case without hard evidence.

In the end it's completely unfair to put someone in a position to declare their religion or lack of religion before having a job accepted, regardless to how you respond to the answer of atheist. A person should be hired based on his credentials such as experience and recommendations that build a reputation related to his work only.

[rjh4 is back]

Sure, maybe to that person it matters. But it's illegal to discriminate against someone for religion, except, a religious job like priest, obviously. So hence, it should never even come up.

Of course, as Dotard explained, just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen and it's hard to pursue a case without hard evidence.

Maybe I am missing something. I was under the impression that Dotard did service work for individuals that would call him and he would give estimates for work to be done and then contract with the individual when the estimate has been accepted. Like HVAC work or something.

If that is the case, I do not think there is any law that says that the individual cannot choose which estimate to go with based on religion. If you think I am wrong here, please provide the statute. Note, there is a big difference between the laws that govern employers and what happens in the situation I noted above.