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RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
March 12, 2014 at 2:07 pm
(March 12, 2014 at 1:53 pm)ronedee Wrote: Faith BEFORE Understanding! Thats why its "impossible" for you and the others. YOU are stopping yourselves from the knowledge of God. This is what I mean. I was raised to accept that god existed; that his existence was a given and it did not need to be verified because it was true. Without that faith, I would not have been able to gain the "understanding" that would lead to "knowledge" of god. If you do it any differently, if you try to understand god and gain knowledge before you determine that he is real, then I think it really is impossible to accept. You must accept his existence on faith and only then does the rest make any sense.
As long as you don't question that foundation and try to find god, you are okay. I reject the idea that the person who does not find god is not searching in the proper way. I think that the person who does not find god is the one who actually bothered to search.
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RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
March 12, 2014 at 2:09 pm
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RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
March 12, 2014 at 2:16 pm
@ discipulus: relating to "all" morality, you indicating that you never said that. The point I was trying to make is that the God you choose to worship, condones/condoned those heinous things. I guess he had his reasons, eh?
That's why your Bible is a house of cards. Take one out, they all fall. The book is filled with corruption and you think that as long as God commanded those things, so be it?
How do you reconcile this?
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RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
March 12, 2014 at 2:23 pm
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2014 at 2:23 pm by professor.)
Deidre asked a question about the Islamic (the name means "Submission") book.
Without a doubt it is inspired. But just not by the one who inspired the Bible.
Another thing, the Inquisition was perpetrated by totalitarians calling themselves "Christians" while murdering real Christians.
You see, when the devil realized he couldn't kill Christianity by persecution- he undermined it by installing false Christianity in his government at the time.
That situation began to be reversed when the printing press was applied to the Bible and the people were able to by pass the evil priesthood by actually reading the text themselves.
I also wonder which place devoid of Christian influence you guys would prefer to live?
How about Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim country?
How about the atheistic nation of China?
Oh yeah, would you like to try India?
People tend to vote with their feet.
Why is that?
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RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
March 12, 2014 at 2:27 pm
(March 12, 2014 at 2:23 pm)professor Wrote: Deidre asked a question about the Islamic (the name means "Submission") book.
Without a doubt it is inspired. But just not by the one who inspired the Bible.
Another thing, the Inquisition was perpetrated by totalitarians calling themselves "Christians" while murdering real Christians.
You see, when the devil realized he couldn't kill Christianity by persecution- he undermined it by installing false Christianity in his government at the time.
That situation began to be reversed when the printing press was applied to the Bible and the people were able to by pass the evil priesthood by actually reading the text themselves.
I also wonder which place devoid of Christian influence you guys would prefer to live?
How about Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim country?
How about the atheistic nation of China?
Oh yeah, would you like to try India?
People tend to vote with their feet.
Why is that?
The devil? What is that.. what does a devil look like?
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RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
March 12, 2014 at 2:27 pm
(March 12, 2014 at 2:23 pm)professor Wrote: Deidre asked a question about the Islamic (the name means "Submission") book.
Without a doubt it is inspired. But just not by the one who inspired the Bible.
Another thing, the Inquisition was perpetrated by totalitarians calling themselves "Christians" while murdering real Christians.
You see, when the devil realized he couldn't kill Christianity by persecution- he undermined it by installing false Christianity in his government at the time.
That situation began to be reversed when the printing press was applied to the Bible and the people were able to by pass the evil priesthood by actually reading the text themselves.
I also wonder which place devoid of Christian influence you guys would prefer to live?
How about Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim country?
How about the atheistic nation of China?
Oh yeah, would you like to try India?
People tend to vote with their feet.
Why is that?
The Inquisition was lead by Dominicans - the papal sanctified rock stars of their day.
Don't lie.
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RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
March 12, 2014 at 2:31 pm
(March 12, 2014 at 2:27 pm)Mr. Moncrieff Wrote: (March 12, 2014 at 2:23 pm)professor Wrote: Deidre asked a question about the Islamic (the name means "Submission") book.
Without a doubt it is inspired. But just not by the one who inspired the Bible.
Another thing, the Inquisition was perpetrated by totalitarians calling themselves "Christians" while murdering real Christians.
You see, when the devil realized he couldn't kill Christianity by persecution- he undermined it by installing false Christianity in his government at the time.
That situation began to be reversed when the printing press was applied to the Bible and the people were able to by pass the evil priesthood by actually reading the text themselves.
I also wonder which place devoid of Christian influence you guys would prefer to live?
How about Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim country?
How about the atheistic nation of China?
Oh yeah, would you like to try India?
People tend to vote with their feet.
Why is that?
The Inquisition was lead by Dominicans - the papal sanctified rock stars of their day.
Don't lie.
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RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
March 12, 2014 at 2:42 pm
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2014 at 2:44 pm by Fromper.)
(March 12, 2014 at 2:23 pm)professor Wrote: I also wonder which place devoid of Christian influence you guys would prefer to live?
How about Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim country?
How about the atheistic nation of China?
Oh yeah, would you like to try India?
People tend to vote with their feet.
Why is that?
I'm fine living in majority Christian nations, as long as they're ruled by secular law. I've lived in the US my whole life, though I definitely prefer the more liberal areas to the Bible belt (I've lived in both). Most nations with lots of Christians are very secular these days, which is a good thing. That's probably the biggest thing where I wish the US would take after Canada or western European countries more.
I love your intentionally misleading list of non-Christian nations. Even if you ignore the secularism of majority Christian nations, it's not like the only other choices are theocratic Muslim countries, socialist China, or poorer countries like India and the third world. Among others, you seem to have conveniently left out Japan, which is possibly the least religious country on Earth. And really, there are things about China and India that I'd be attracted to, though neither's my ideal place to live.
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RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
March 12, 2014 at 3:37 pm
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2014 at 3:39 pm by SteelCurtain.)
(March 12, 2014 at 2:23 pm)professor Wrote: Deidre asked a question about the Islamic (the name means "Submission") book.
Without a doubt it is inspired. But just not by the one who inspired the Bible.
Another thing, the Inquisition was perpetrated by totalitarians calling themselves "Christians" while murdering real Christians.
You see, when the devil realized he couldn't kill Christianity by persecution- he undermined it by installing false Christianity in his government at the time.
That situation began to be reversed when the printing press was applied to the Bible and the people were able to by pass the evil priesthood by actually reading the text themselves. Do you really think that is a valid point? The people perpetrating the Inquisition and the Crusades weren't real Christians? What is a 'real Christian,' because if it is a person who believes what most people believe about the Bible today, then you're in for a big surprise. Awfully convenient how you can scrub off millenia of bigotry, misogyny, and racism just by saying those weren't real Christians. The Americans perpetrating racism and segregation in the South 50 years ago weren't real Christians either, were they? And todays homophobic bigots won't be real Christians in 30 years either, will they?
(March 12, 2014 at 2:23 pm)professor Wrote: I also wonder which place devoid of Christian influence you guys would prefer to live?
How about Saudi Arabia or any other Muslim country?
How about the atheistic nation of China?
Oh yeah, would you like to try India?
People tend to vote with their feet.
Why is that? You are kidding me with this, right? Your implied correlation of the success of this country because of it's "Christianity" is baseless. There is, however, a correlation between the secularity of a country, and it's STEM scores in relation to other countries. See Sweden and Japan, for example.
There are other factors that guide people's "feet," anyhow. Given that it costs money for people to up and leave the country they were born in, given that people are reluctant to leave all the people in their support network, given that moving to a new country often requires one to learn a new language, new customs, get a new job, buy a new house. I don't choose to stay in America because I dislike other countries, I choose to stay here because everything I know is here. ETA: And 'Murica is, for the most part, awesome despite the religotards here.
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RE: Totally NOT a debate about the veracity of the gospels
March 12, 2014 at 3:39 pm
Quote:I'm fine living in majority Christian nations, as long as they're ruled by secular law.
Think how much nicer it would be to not have any of these fucking morons wandering around blabbering about their invisible sky-daddy.
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