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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 4:23 pm
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(March 31, 2014 at 4:20 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: He was the most influential human being in History and Contemporary Historians of the time wrote about him. To deny his existence would be more difficult Historically than to deny the existence of Alexander the Great.
Name one contemporary historian of Jesus who wrote about him.
There are none. Josephus wasn't a contemporary.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 4:34 pm
(March 31, 2014 at 4:23 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: There are none. Josephus wasn't a contemporary.
...and never mentioned Jesus at all. I reject the TF as a forgery and the Jamesian Reference because it spells out "Jesus Bar Damneus" (or Jesus son of Damneus).
The best piece of evidence, relatively speaking, is the oblique and second century reference by Tacitus in his Annals. The reference was so oblique, it didn't even mention the name "Jesus", only that the Christians got their name from their "anointed one" who was crucified by Pilate.
If there was a Jesus, we'll never know much about him.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 4:36 pm
(March 31, 2014 at 4:23 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: (March 31, 2014 at 4:20 pm)Thunder Cunt Wrote: He was the most influential human being in History and Contemporary Historians of the time wrote about him. To deny his existence would be more difficult Historically than to deny the existence of Alexander the Great.
Name one contemporary historian of Jesus who wrote about him.
There are none. Josephus wasn't a contemporary.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 4:42 pm
(March 31, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
OK, there it is again. Every time a Christian calls the Gospels "historical documents" I have to run this clip.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 4:47 pm
Rev stop reaching. ..
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 4:49 pm
(March 31, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (March 31, 2014 at 4:23 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Name one contemporary historian of Jesus who wrote about him.
There are none. Josephus wasn't a contemporary.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
Lol. Christians. So adorable when they're not dangerous.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 4:49 pm
(March 31, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (March 31, 2014 at 4:23 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Name one contemporary historian of Jesus who wrote about him.
There are none. Josephus wasn't a contemporary.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
It might surprise you to learn that what your church teaches as "tradition" and what actual biblical scholars have to say on the matter are two entirely different things.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 4:59 pm
(March 31, 2014 at 8:53 am)Revelation777 Wrote: (March 30, 2014 at 10:54 pm)Tonus Wrote: So the proof that Jesus is god is that he's become cultural background noise?
The impact of Jesus' life is much greater than that. People all over the world die for Him.
I urge you to go and do likewise.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 5:03 pm
(March 31, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Revelation777 Wrote: (March 31, 2014 at 4:23 pm)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: Name one contemporary historian of Jesus who wrote about him.
There are none. Josephus wasn't a contemporary.
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John
Poor baby....
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Quote:A very large percentage of seminarians are completely blind-sided by the historical-critical method. They come in with the expectation of learning the pious truths of the Bible so that they can pass them along in their sermons, as their own pastors have done for them. Nothing prepares them for historical criticism. To their surprise they learn, instead of material for sermons, all the results of what historical critics have established on the basis of centuries of research. The Bible is filled with discrepancies, many of them irreconcilable contradictions. Moses did not write the Pentateuch (the first five books of the Old Testament) and Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John did not write the Gospels. There are other books that did not make it into the Bible that at one time or another were considered canonical—other Gospels, for example, allegedly written by Jesus’ followers Peter, Thomas, and Mary. The Exodus probably did not happen as described in the Old Testament. The conquest of the Promised Land is probably based on legend. The Gospels are at odds on numerous points and contain nonhistorical material. It is hard to know whether Moses ever existed and what, exactly, the historical Jesus taught. The historical narratives of the Old Testament are filled with legendary fabrications and the book of Acts in the New Testament contains historically unreliable information about the life and teachings of Paul. Many of the books of the New Testament are pseudonymous—written not by the apostles but by later writers claiming to be apostles. The list goes on.
Bart Ehrman "Jesus Interrupted pg. 5-6
It gets better from there. You should read it. You might be less of a moron when you finish.
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RE: The Historical Jesus is real and He rose from the grave
March 31, 2014 at 5:07 pm
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(March 31, 2014 at 5:03 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Bart Ehrman, Jesus Interrupted Wrote:Many of the books of the New Testament are pseudonymous—written not by the apostles but by later writers claiming to be apostles.
Mr. Ehrman is being generous. "Forgeries" seems a more accurate description.
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