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Quarter pounder with deity, OP ED.
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Quarter pounder with deity, OP ED.
The CONCEPT of religion, not a particular religion, but in our species history, THE CONCEPT, is like a bad diet. It is full of empty calories that fill you up, but for the most part cause more problems than they solve.

The only proper "diet" I can conceive of is a natural version of the comic book version of the famous Christian verse "Lord grant me the wisdom to change the things I can, accept the things I can't, and the the ability to know the difference". I write this with trepidation knowing Christians will jump on me saying "SEE SEE SEE", Knowing they will claim I secretly believe. Not at all. If a Muslim and Jew and Hindu and atheist and Mormon and Sikh can all stand in a parking lot and and point to a blue car, and agree the color is blue, that is all I am doing.

It isn't that a quote from fiction OR religion does not reflect our desire for empathy and survival that bothers me. It is that religion creates a false presumption that the club invented morality and evolution.

I agree with the MOTIF, and when you look at all religions we all have the same desire to want to feel good about what we do. The problem is that it is merely a comic book reflection of our own desires. Religion teaches us to forget that we are not a separate species.

In reality outside of war, a group will welcome "outsiders" at first, when they come in without aggression. But the expectation is that the if you are the host, we still expect submission from our guests.
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RE: Quarter pounder with deity, OP ED.
(April 18, 2014 at 1:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The CONCEPT of religion, not a particular religion, but in our species history, THE CONCEPT, is like a bad diet. It is full of empty calories that fill you up, but for the most part cause more problems than they solve.

The only proper "diet" I can conceive of is a natural version of the comic book version of the famous Christian verse "Lord grant me the wisdom to change the things I can, accept the things I can't, and the the ability to know the difference". I write this with trepidation knowing Christians will jump on me saying "SEE SEE SEE", Knowing they will claim I secretly believe. Not at all. If a Muslim and Jew and Hindu and atheist and Mormon and Sikh can all stand in a parking lot and and point to a blue car, and agree the color is blue, that is all I am doing.

It isn't that a quote from fiction OR religion does not reflect our desire for empathy and survival that bothers me. It is that religion creates a false presumption that the club invented morality and evolution.

I agree with the MOTIF, and when you look at all religions we all have the same desire to want to feel good about what we do. The problem is that it is merely a comic book reflection of our own desires. Religion teaches us to forget that we are not a separate species.

In reality outside of war, a group will welcome "outsiders" at first, when they come in without aggression. But the expectation is that the if you are the host, we still expect submission from our guests.

Hmmm...but the color blue will be varying shades however, depending on what religion you ask when each ''points to the car.''

Thinking

So, I'll respectfully disagree with you, here.
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RE: Quarter pounder with deity, OP ED.
(April 18, 2014 at 7:47 pm)Deidre32 Wrote:
(April 18, 2014 at 1:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The CONCEPT of religion, not a particular religion, but in our species history, THE CONCEPT, is like a bad diet. It is full of empty calories that fill you up, but for the most part cause more problems than they solve.

The only proper "diet" I can conceive of is a natural version of the comic book version of the famous Christian verse "Lord grant me the wisdom to change the things I can, accept the things I can't, and the the ability to know the difference". I write this with trepidation knowing Christians will jump on me saying "SEE SEE SEE", Knowing they will claim I secretly believe. Not at all. If a Muslim and Jew and Hindu and atheist and Mormon and Sikh can all stand in a parking lot and and point to a blue car, and agree the color is blue, that is all I am doing.

It isn't that a quote from fiction OR religion does not reflect our desire for empathy and survival that bothers me. It is that religion creates a false presumption that the club invented morality and evolution.

I agree with the MOTIF, and when you look at all religions we all have the same desire to want to feel good about what we do. The problem is that it is merely a comic book reflection of our own desires. Religion teaches us to forget that we are not a separate species.

In reality outside of war, a group will welcome "outsiders" at first, when they come in without aggression. But the expectation is that the if you are the host, we still expect submission from our guests.

Hmmm...but the color blue will be varying shades however, depending on what religion you ask when each ''points to the car.''

Thinking

So, I'll respectfully disagree with you, here.
What is to disagree with? As soon as anyone postulates an invisible non material sky hero, they lose.
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RE: Quarter pounder with deity, OP ED.
If a Muslim and Jew and Hindu and atheist and Mormon and Sikh can all stand in a parking lot and and point to a blue car, and agree the color is blue, that is all I am doing.

You posted this...what did you mean by that? Sorry, that's what I didn't 'get.' :=)
The reality is if you are making an analogy for God, those groups all won't agree on what or who a god is, but are you saying they will just all agree that one ''exists?''
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RE: Quarter pounder with deity, OP ED.
Quote:If a Muslim and Jew and Hindu and atheist and Mormon and Sikh can all stand in a parking lot and and point to a blue car, and agree the color is blue, that is all I am doing.

A more likely scenario is that members of all these different faiths will point to the car and argue over whether it is cyan, indigo, teal, azure, cobalt or cerulean. Then the violence will ensue.

Except for the atheist who, disgusted with the whole business, will go home for a beer.

Boru
‘Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.’ Ralph Waldo Emerson
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RE: Quarter pounder with deity, OP ED.
(April 18, 2014 at 1:06 pm)Brian37 Wrote: The CONCEPT of religion, not a particular religion, but in our species history, THE CONCEPT, is like a bad diet. It is full of empty calories that fill you up, but for the most part cause more problems than they solve.

The only proper "diet" I can conceive of is a natural version of the comic book version of the famous Christian verse "Lord grant me the wisdom to change the things I can, accept the things I can't, and the the ability to know the difference". I write this with trepidation knowing Christians will jump on me saying "SEE SEE SEE", Knowing they will claim I secretly believe. Not at all. If a Muslim and Jew and Hindu and atheist and Mormon and Sikh can all stand in a parking lot and and point to a blue car, and agree the color is blue, that is all I am doing.

It isn't that a quote from fiction OR religion does not reflect our desire for empathy and survival that bothers me. It is that religion creates a false presumption that the club invented morality and evolution.

I agree with the MOTIF, and when you look at all religions we all have the same desire to want to feel good about what we do. The problem is that it is merely a comic book reflection of our own desires. Religion teaches us to forget that we are not a separate species.

In reality outside of war, a group will welcome "outsiders" at first, when they come in without aggression. But the expectation is that the if you are the host, we still expect submission from our guests.

I just wanted to thank you for spelling quarter correctly. Your post at TTA is titled Quater pounder..., and every time I read it a single tear streams from my eye and a baby grammar nazi cries out in sorrow.
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RE: Quarter pounder with deity, OP ED.
(April 18, 2014 at 8:58 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
Quote:If a Muslim and Jew and Hindu and atheist and Mormon and Sikh can all stand in a parking lot and and point to a blue car, and agree the color is blue, that is all I am doing.

A more likely scenario is that members of all these different faiths will point to the car and argue over whether it is cyan, indigo, teal, azure, cobalt or cerulean. Then the violence will ensue.

Except for the atheist who, disgusted with the whole business, will go home for a beer.

Boru

I guess you could argue a little tweak on my part is in order, but yea, I agree, this is why religion needs to be challenged at every turn.

This is the point I was making. Religion only explains our desire to cling to superstition as a gap answer.

Just like we don't use kaleidoscopes to view the stars, religion should not be used to view our human nature or our interactions with each other. Only proper understanding of evolution, including the real science behind why people believe false things, and our evolutionary capability to be both cruel and compassionate, is the proper way. You can understand why people believe false things without accepting the false things people claim.

Thanks for tweaking that for me, and completely agree.
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