Argument #1: Transitional Fossils

[Esquilax]

You base your beliefs, and they are beliefs, on what you observe naturally. God, is a supernatural being. He created a natural world but there are also supernatural events that have occurred, are presently occurring, and will occur. Just because you have not experienced any doesn't mean the supernatural doesn't exist.

Without recourse to faith or special ways of knowing, how does one detect the supernatural as it's happening?

[JuliaL]

The facts remain, fossils have been discovered to suddenly appear in the record without transition. This is what would be expected from intelligent design not macroevolution.

I find myself perplexed that a biblical creationist, particularly a YEC, would use a lack of transitional forms as an argument FOR their side.

In the Noah and the big boat model of reality, the diversity of non-interbreeding populations we see around us demands a period of hyper speciation some time in the last 4k years. Otherwise Noah couldn't have taken 'kinds' rather than species onto the ark and would have run out of room. This geographic radiation and speciation would have happened during a period when people, writing and carbon dating existed. Strangely, nobody noted the sudden diversification of terrestrial life or that somehow the process stopped.

In fact, we found one of the folks of that approximate age. Otzi the ice man

Transitional examples or evidence of sudden appearance of all the currently existing species should be easy to find.

Revelation777, where are your transitional forms? Any idea why the superfast, spontaneous changes stopped?

[Revelation777]

You might say about the person in whom you care the most for and love beyond words the "center of your universe." God chose this planet and his creation of man to be His center. Quite poetically beautiful.

Holy crap! Did you just correctly use the objective pronoun "whom"?

Yep, I learn dat from me edumacation!

[The Valkyrie]

Let's go over this again:
<God exists> + <God has always existed> + <God is all powerful> + <God created the universe> each have no evidence, yet each premise is required for a theist or deist viewpoint.

<Abiogenesis might be how life originated> has evidence behind it.

How are these two "interchangeable" by any stretch of the imagination?

You have a theory with evidence, and somehow have equated that to an unfounded assertion that there must be some sort of magical being, somewhere in the universe, that is empirically unverifiable, unfalsifiable (and therefore not scientific), and this magical being suddenly becomes an "alternative choice" to a well-founded theory with supporting evidence.

What is this, amateur hour?

It's the same as saying <lightening is an electrostatic discharge between charged clouds and the planet> or <Thor exists> <Thor is the God of Thunder and Lightning> therefore <Thor causes lighting> are interchangeable "theories."

What?

In the same vein: Either God exists, or I have a piece of lint in my pocket. I have a piece of lint in my pocket, therefore God does not exist.

Someone should write a mobile app where you can shake your device, and 2-3 random premises appear with a conclusion.

I guarantee you some of the Theists on this board would start copy-pasting arguments whenever they ended in "Therefore God"

You base your beliefs, and they are beliefs, on what you observe naturally. God, is a supernatural being. He created a natural world but there are also supernatural events that have occurred, are presently occurring, and will occur. Just because you have not experienced any doesn't mean the supernatural doesn't exist.

No, it's knowledge. Knowledge changes.

And just because a contradictory book says there's a god doesn't mean there is on.

No supernatural events have been witnessed by enough people to be convincing or tested.

[Revelation777]

I have 6 more arguments, thanks for some ideas.

Are the next six also going to be blatant falsehoods?

Seriously, Rev, you appear to be a nice guy, but someone's been selling you lies.

Dear Faith No More,
I believe without a shadow of a doubt that there is a Creator and He is Jesus Christ.

[SteelCurtain]

You know what is ironic as well, Darwin did not deny that there was a God! In fact, in his sixth addition of Origin he refers to the Creator.

One of best-known criticisms of natural selection was that nothing as complicated as an eye could have evolved purely by chance. Darwin's response was that we can observe many examples of the evolution of light-sensitive cells in nature. The most intriguing thought Darwin had on this subject was that just because we don't understand how something can evolve does not mean that the Creator wasn't behind it. His exact words in the sixth edition of Origin were "Have we any right to assume that the Creator works by intellectual powers like those of man?"[v]. Using the telescope as an example of a man-made optical instrument, he added: "May we not believe that a living optical instrument might thus be formed as superior to one of glass, as the works of the Creator are to man?"

reference
Charles Darwin. The Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, Or The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life. Sixth Edition, With Additions and Corrections to 1872. London: John Murray, 1876.

Darwin never said that there was not a Creator. And he never said that the Creator didn't create life.

That's because to say so in Victorian England had consequences. Or he believed in God. Either one, makes not one bit of difference to his theory.

And seriously, if you are going to copy and paste from an article, at least give the article credit. That is called plagiarism. And it's against the rules here. And it is even more evidence that you are a person who will lie to further his personal ideology.

[Revelation777]

Thank you for the nice response. Check out this article
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles...2/tetrapod

Seriously, you need to stop posting links to AiG, nobody considers them credible. They are conmen, and they are lying to you.

Why do you call them conmen? They have a Creation Museum and they will be building a Noah's Ark replica. I am very impressed with their findings.

[The Valkyrie]

Are the next six also going to be blatant falsehoods?

Seriously, Rev, you appear to be a nice guy, but someone's been selling you lies.

Dear Faith No More,
I believe without a shadow of a doubt that there is a Creator and He is Jesus Christ.

Good for you. Now tell me why, in Odin's name, we should believe in your god just because you're convinced it exists?

[Revelation777]

Part of the problem is that you have been duped by some of the books you read. Time to wake up and smell the Truth.

You owe me a new irony meter.

I actually miss the angry cloud avatar.

[The Valkyrie]

Seriously, you need to stop posting links to AiG, nobody considers them credible. They are conmen, and they are lying to you.

Why do you call them conmen? They have a Creation Museum and they will be building a Noah's Ark replica. I am very impressed with their findings.

Yeah, they have a model of the triceratops with a SADDLE on it, are convinced not only that dinosaurs lived alongside humans but the T-rexes were VEGETARIANS.

And we're to take these people seriously?