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Jesus makes the Old Testament old hat?
April 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm
In the very first book of the New Testament Jesus says this:
"17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
I didn't see where he abolishes all the barbarism. Maybe it's my poor ability to contort a believable alternative interpretation, but he seems to be endorsing all the crazy shit from the first part of the book.
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RE: Jesus makes the Old Testament old hat?
April 27, 2014 at 4:36 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: In the very first book of the New Testament Jesus says this:
"17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
I didn't see where he abolishes all the barbarism. Maybe it's my poor ability to contort a believable alternative interpretation, but he seems to be endorsing all the crazy shit from the first part of the book.
I'm always amused by religious nuts who claim that Jesus overrides the OT, while ignoring the passages above and then insist on holding to the 10 commandments
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RE: Jesus makes the Old Testament old hat?
April 27, 2014 at 4:43 pm
No...no...no. You're reading that out of 'context.'
To get the right context you have to shove your head up your own ass and pretend it doesn't smell like shit.
Really, these jesus freak assholes have more ways to twist themselves out of that one than just about any other fucking thing written in the damn thing.
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RE: Jesus makes the Old Testament old hat?
April 27, 2014 at 5:44 pm
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RE: Jesus makes the Old Testament old hat?
April 27, 2014 at 7:16 pm
The most prevalent claim I've heard is that the old testament covenant died with him on the cross and was replaced with the new covenant upon his resurrection. All without reference to scripture, of course. It does beg the question of whether people were allowed, or even able, to sin during the three days (yeah, right) he lay dead since there was no covenant in place for that time.
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RE: Jesus makes the Old Testament old hat?
April 28, 2014 at 10:30 am
(April 27, 2014 at 4:36 pm)Beccs Wrote: I'm always amused by religious nuts who claim that Jesus overrides the OT, while ignoring the passages above and then insist on holding to the 10 commandments
And one very specific law in Leviticus.
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RE: Jesus makes the Old Testament old hat?
April 28, 2014 at 1:16 pm
It's nothing more than a marketing gimmick designed to make their cult more palatable to 1st and 2nd Century Gentiles than the other Jewish alternatives. Like most marketing, it's bullshit.
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RE: Jesus makes the Old Testament old hat?
April 28, 2014 at 1:18 pm
Let's not start on the meaning of the word "fulfill" lol
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RE: Jesus makes the Old Testament old hat?
April 28, 2014 at 2:32 pm
(April 28, 2014 at 1:18 pm)ThePinsir Wrote: Let's not start on the meaning of the word "fulfill" lol
Well, then, how the hell are we supposed to cherry pick!?
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RE: Jesus makes the Old Testament old hat?
April 28, 2014 at 4:10 pm
(April 27, 2014 at 4:32 pm)The Reality Salesman Wrote: I didn't see where he abolishes all the barbarism. Maybe it's my poor ability to contort a believable alternative interpretation, but he seems to be endorsing all the crazy shit from the first part of the book. You can make the argument that he even doubles down. In the sermon on the mount, he implies that the law doesn't go far enough. Do not kill? Hah! Don't even call your brother a fool! Do not commit adultery? Hah! Lustful thoughts are enough to damn you! He ends this by telling the assembled listeners that they must be perfect, just like god is perfect. And considering the way god acts in the OT, it's impossible to figure out just what he means by "perfect"!
Basically, he came to Earth to tell everyone that they were fucked. And they thanked him for it. /facepalm
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