I'll show you a real Christian

[BlackMason]

For your attention blackmason: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman
The OP did not commit a 'no true Scotsman' fallacy.

I guess I'll have to explain using my interpretation. The title "I'll show you a real christian", which is subsequently accompanied by a picture of an empty room, is making a claim that there are no real christians. This could be for whatever reason but the position I took was because none apply the bible 100% all the time. So effectively the OP is saying no true christians exist because they don't act the way the bible says they should act. This is in line with that wiki link that you supplied. Are you following my train of thought? So just as the quote you gave states that instead of denying a counter example, it is excluded entirely. The empty room is tantemount to excluding said counter example except in this case it is all christians.

If that was a bit difficult to grasp I'll repeat informally. The no true scotsman fallacy is really saying that it is illogical to say a member of a group can't act in a given way. For example a christian can't doubt christ. Why not? There is nothing preventing the christian from doubting. It is well with in the christians abilities or actions to doubt. I think you're not getting the actual principle as your application is too rigid.

Also, i'm really wondering if you are a poe. Religious views: fuck him? And you use phrases like 'the truth of my words' and you seem to get very upset at the idea of the OP 'trolling' Christianity.

Trust me I'm not a troll. Check my rep. I'm endorsed by Robbypants who knows me from another site. What's a poe by the way?

Anyway I guess an apology is in order. I made the mistake of assuming that this forum worked the same way as the other one I'm a member of. Guess not. So to be clear trolling is welcome here?

[rexbeccarox]

First of all, Kit is a longstanding member here, not a troll. Second, He's been fairly quiet in this thread and left his OP up to interpretation. When you say this:

"I guess I'll have to explain using my interpretation. The title "I'll show you a real christian", which is subsequently accompanied by a picture of an empty room, is making a claim that there are no real christians. This could be for whatever reason but the position I took was because none apply the bible 100% all the time. So effectively the OP is saying no true christians exist because they don't act the way the bible says they should act. This is in line with that wiki link that you supplied. Are you following my train of thought? So just as the quote you gave states that instead of denying a counter example, it is excluded entirely. The empty room is tantemount to excluding said counter example except in this case it is all christians."

It's your interpretation, not his. Stop projecting. You keep doing that.

[BlackMason]

First of all, Kit is a longstanding member here, not a troll. Second, He's been fairly quiet in this thread and left his OP up to interpretation.

You don't have to be a card carrying troll to be trolling in isolated events.

It's your interpretation, not his. Stop projecting. You keep doing that.

Could he have at least made the no true scotsman logical fallacy unintentionally? Besides I'm not projecting. I was being objective right from the get go. Mix that with my erroneous understanding of how things work here...you get this.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

You are delusional if you gleaned that from my statement.

Care to explain your intentions in this thread? Your silence on this issue is suspicious.

Fucking puppies. Ok?

[Cyberman]

At the very least Kitanetos was irresponsible for leaving his thread ambiguous. He should be admonished for that. This isn't a frivolous area of the site after all.

Kitanetos, by the powers vested in me by the state of inebriation, I hereby admonish you for wilfully and irresponsibly leaving an ambiguous thread in a non-frivolous area.

That's as official as it gets, by the way.

[Bad Wolf]

I guess I'll have to explain using my interpretation. The title "I'll show you a real christian", which is subsequently accompanied by a picture of an empty room, is making a claim that there are no real christians. This could be for whatever reason but the position I took was because none apply the bible 100% all the time. So effectively the OP is saying no true christians exist because they don't act the way the bible says they should act.

And how exactly did you get that from a picture? You're just strawmanning. You made a position that wasn't there and started attacking it.

Trust me I'm not a troll.

So you're just a prick then?

Check my rep. I'm endorsed by Robbypants who knows me from another site. What's a poe by the way?

Anyway I guess an apology is in order. I made the mistake of assuming that this forum worked the same way as the other one I'm a member of. Guess not. So to be clear trolling is welcome here?

Where would you get that idea from?

[BlackMason]

And how exactly did you get that from a picture? You're just strawmanning. You made a position that wasn't there and started attacking it.

My interpretation was valid. In fact had this thread been started elsewhere, I'd be right. My opinion is in the minority because I'm not aware of the lax rules here. So no, I'm not making a strawman. My position is justifiable.

So you're just a prick then?

Pot calling the kettle black?

Where would you get that idea from?

Look Kitanetos did commit a no true scotsman. But it was a joke. This was lost on me and everyone else got it. So to me it was trolling christians. Since no one is willing to admit that, I got the sense that trolling is allowed.

By the way you still didn't answer my question on what a poe is.

[Whateverist]

Pushy lil' bugger, isn't he?

[Bad Wolf]

My interpretation was valid. In fact had this thread been started elsewhere, I'd be right. My opinion is in the minority because I'm not aware of the lax rules here. So no, I'm not making a strawman. My position is justifiable.

I disagree.

Pot calling the kettle black?

No, my attitude towards you has been due to your attitude towards everyone else.

Look Kitanetos did commit a no true scotsman.

No he didn't.

But it was a joke. This was lost on me and everyone else got it. So to me it was trolling christians. Since no one is willing to admit that, I got the sense that trolling is allowed.

I don't know if you read the title of this website but its called Atheistforums.org. If he wanted to troll Christians he would have done it on a Christian forum. But he didn't, he did it as a joke because he can because this is our forum.

By the way you still didn't answer my question on what a poe is.

You can't have been doing this whole 'internet forum' thing very long if you don't know what a poe is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

Poe's law, named after its author Nathan Poe, is an Internet adage reflecting the idea that without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between an expression of sincere extremism and a parody of extremism.[1]

And ta-dah! This is how you back up your assertions with evidence.

[Mudhammam]

I see the Christian in the picture. He's in his glorified body. It's a spiritual body so you really have to use your imagination to see it.