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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
June 23, 2014 at 11:49 pm
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(June 23, 2014 at 10:28 pm)Lek Wrote: I don't think there is a single best method, but we should use all logical methods available to us. If we rely only on science, math, etc., we're shutting ourselves off from the complete truth. Most atheists limit themselves by refusing to consider supernatural answers. Bmine, so that you might see where the disconnect is......
To me, supernatural answers are non-answers, not even wrong answers, empty answers, in short, useless answers. In fact, I defy you to explain a single thing by way of a "supernatural answer". Bonus points if you find some "supernatural answer" by a "logical method". If you find them satisfying, I suspect that you may be halting inquiry when a suitably "supernatural" conjecture comes along - instead of following an explanation down the rabbit hole.
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
June 24, 2014 at 6:09 am
(June 23, 2014 at 11:22 pm)Irrational Wrote: Ok, list the details I need to know. We can start with just one experience of yours.
The details will be different depending on your willingness to consider God.
You're trying to put the cart before the horse.
What you need to look for first is God. When you look from that perspective you will see evidence of his actions.
No snidey proud posturing in front of your peers is going to get you that.
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
June 24, 2014 at 6:33 am
(June 24, 2014 at 6:09 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (June 23, 2014 at 11:22 pm)Irrational Wrote: Ok, list the details I need to know. We can start with just one experience of yours.
The details will be different depending on your willingness to consider God.
You're trying to put the cart before the horse.
What you need to look for first is God. When you look from that perspective you will see evidence of his actions.
No snidey proud posturing in front of your peers is going to get you that.
Let Lek decide if he will give me the details I'm after. You've failed several times thus far, so go troll someone else.
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
June 24, 2014 at 6:54 am
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
June 24, 2014 at 7:20 am
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(June 24, 2014 at 6:09 am)fr0d0 Wrote: What you need to look for first is God. When you look from that perspective you will see evidence of his actions. Like when you go looking for god and find him on toast, the sides of buildings, birthmarks, dogs assholes, and t-shirts?
(honest question, can you explain the difference between any of those and the platitude you offered?)
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
June 24, 2014 at 7:36 am
(June 24, 2014 at 7:20 am)Rhythm Wrote: (June 24, 2014 at 6:09 am)fr0d0 Wrote: What you need to look for first is God. When you look from that perspective you will see evidence of his actions. Like when you go looking for god and find him on toast, the sides of buildings, birthmarks, dogs assholes, and t-shirts?
(honest question, can you explain the difference between any of those and the platitude you offered?)
It's called confirmation bias.
Make an assumption and then look for anything that may seem like it supports the assumption, ignoring all the evidence that suggests otherwise.
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
June 24, 2014 at 7:42 am
'Rhythm Wrote:Like when you go looking for god and find him on toast, the sides of buildings, birthmarks, dogs assholes, and t-shirts?
(honest question, can you explain the difference between any of those and the platitude you offered?)
LOL good one 
Those would be abuses of that principle. You'd make a fine Catholic!
There's this instruction book where this is all explained.
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
June 24, 2014 at 7:54 am
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(June 24, 2014 at 7:42 am)fr0d0 Wrote: LOL good one
Those would be abuses of that principle. You'd make a fine Catholic!
There's this instruction book where this is all explained.
Whadda ya mean would, lol
How do we decide what might be an abuse of the principle. Please recall that we're talking about a book with magic bread and dragons in it. I don;t see why jesus -wouldn't- be on a piece of toast, or an asshole. What makes their apophenia any lesser (or greater) than your own? If you can't provide an explanation for this then I would be forced to consider your proposition to belong to the toast-asshole group by way of compelling similarities.
+In nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti. Amen
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
June 24, 2014 at 8:20 am
Already answered
Take three hail Mary's. Yadda Yadda
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RE: 3 Questions For Believers (A work in progress.)
June 24, 2014 at 8:41 am
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I think that the catholics make a great example of what I'm trying to figure out. They have holy relics and shrines and trinkets and pieces of saints skulls and bags of toe-knuckles.....
-all of this is what they found when they went out looking for a god on the advice of their book.
Now, I'm not willing to call the religious experience of every deeply devout catholic insincere (and I don't imagine that you would either) but both of us view this sort of stuff with a comic glint in our eyes. Am I right? This is a font of comedic commonality between us? Clearly we both see that people can go out looking for a god, and find that god - and still we may not be willing to grant them that god in all it;s particulars..no matter how compelling their experience. Does your own advice and method on how to find christ actually defeat the criticisms you might make of the catholic journey? If so, how so? Is there not a way to succinctly demonstrate the dividing line between the two (there has to be?)?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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