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RE: Life after death?
July 5, 2014 at 1:59 pm
(July 5, 2014 at 1:51 pm)whateverist Wrote: (July 5, 2014 at 10:45 am)Irrational Wrote: Loaded question? It's based on the Bible. You make it sound like it's a bad thing that I'm asking you for your interpretation of the Scriptures.
So what do you believe? I'm not asking for the perfect interpretation. I'm asking for your personal interpretation of the passage of concern.
I think you'll find that roman catholics generally don't place a lot of emphasis on individual interpretation of scriptures. I think there also tends to be less emphasis on literalism, or maybe it is only a willingness to be led by those less literal than themselves. But I've only been to one catholic wedding so I don't really know. (My wife admires the Catholics for their ability to confess, repent and move on. No endless guilt.)
I just want to know whether he/she believes that Jesus saw Elijah and Moses. And if so, how does he/she reconcile this with the view that there are no actual souls or spirits after death (if I understood correctly).
If not, then I have nothing more to ask in this specific case.
By the way, most Catholics believe in actual spirits and supernatural afterlife. So Purplundy must be one of those really liberal type of Catholic.
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July 5, 2014 at 2:00 pm
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-perplundy seems, to me, to be a typical catholic, not necessarily a liberal one - in the balance. Caveat emptor, experiences may vary, etc etc.
(catholicism and liberalism have some common trends - we would expect that to express itself in a persons opinion anyway, wouldn't we?)
@purp. Hope you don't mind me saying that. It's not a dig in any way, if you can shake on it..lol.
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RE: Life after death?
July 5, 2014 at 2:03 pm
(July 5, 2014 at 1:59 pm)Irrational Wrote: By the way, most Catholics believe in actual spirits and supernatural afterlife. So Purplundy must be one of those really liberal type of Catholic.
Interesting. Did you spend any time as a Catholic growing up? If so, do you agree with my wife about the superior manner in which catholics process shame/guilt .. confess, three hail Maries and you're moving on. If you did start off Catholic, was it hard to move beyond?
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July 5, 2014 at 2:06 pm
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(July 5, 2014 at 1:58 pm)whateverist Wrote: True that. But my general gestalt of the catholic/protestant split is over the question of who is licensed to interpret scripture, with catholics preferring to leave it in the hands of experts.
It's an honest position, I'd say. "This shit is confusing, I'm not qualified to comment officially (but I am qualified to opine)" - sort of thing.
I want to mention here, if anyone is having an anuerism over seeing me actually defend a religious institution - that I have always felt that religion could be -done- in such a way as to leave me with no objections beyond the theoretical. Don't worry, I'm still ready to stab a fucking priest for the good of all mankind.
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RE: Life after death?
July 5, 2014 at 2:12 pm
(July 5, 2014 at 2:06 pm)Rhythm Wrote: I want to mention here, if anyone is having an anuerism over seeing me actually defend a religious institution - that I have always felt that religion could be -done- in such a way as to leave me with no objections beyond the theoretical. Don't worry, I'm still ready to stab a fucking priest for the good of all mankind.
Phhp. I'd knee him in the balls and then stab him in the eye, strictly for the good of the whole of course.
Not buying it right? Oh, alright, I'm not really a bad ass. But now I know someone to call if I ever have a problem with a priest.
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July 5, 2014 at 2:27 pm
(July 5, 2014 at 2:03 pm)whateverist Wrote: (July 5, 2014 at 1:59 pm)Irrational Wrote: By the way, most Catholics believe in actual spirits and supernatural afterlife. So Purplundy must be one of those really liberal type of Catholic.
Interesting. Did you spend any time as a Catholic growing up? If so, do you agree with my wife about the superior manner in which catholics process shame/guilt .. confess, three hail Maries and you're moving on. If you did start off Catholic, was it hard to move beyond?
No, never was Catholic. Sorry. 
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July 5, 2014 at 2:33 pm
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How do you know which types are liberal and which types are conservative then? Whats the bar? Alot of experience -with- or -amongst- catholics?
(not saying that you don;t have a valid means, just asking what it is)
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July 5, 2014 at 2:36 pm
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(July 5, 2014 at 2:03 pm)whateverist Wrote: Not buying it right? Oh, alright, I'm not really a bad ass. But now I know someone to call if I ever have a problem with a priest. Hehehe, badass smadass. Maybe you're simply less "morally flexible" than I. We all have two screwdrivers in our toolbox. You're the standard and I'm the phillips (which is objectively better at stabbing shit), in this case.
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RE: Life after death?
July 5, 2014 at 2:36 pm
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(July 5, 2014 at 2:33 pm)Rhythm Wrote: How do you know which types are liberal and which types are conservative then? Whats the bar? Alot of experience -with- or -amongst- catholics?
(not saying that you don;t have a valid means, just asking what it is)
The way I see it, the further away they deviate from the traditional Catholic position, the more liberal they would be.
Yeah, I know Catholics.
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RE: Life after death?
July 5, 2014 at 2:39 pm
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Don't wee see the majority of catholics moving away from the "traditional position" as expressed by the only authority in the matter Il papa? Hell, then man in the hat is moving away from the traditional position. Perhaps, a bit like american politics, the base is moving away (in one direction) from earlier definitions in such a way as to necessitate a redefining of the terms - as they apply to catholicism?
I give "old school hardliners" massive shit on these forums -in part because- I know that their own fellows cringe when they speak. It's as much a defense of faith as it is an attack on faith.
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