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(September 8, 2014 at 6:40 pm)Drich Wrote: The bible based kind.
Aids
Lots of bible based stuff. What particularly?
You want people to get AIDS?!? Why?
All of it. (The bible.) I have cut out the 'religious doctrine' bits and created a picture of God solely based on the bible.
And I have a thread that goes in detail, but I was diagnosis with HIV/Aids 20+ years ago and it changed my life, after praying a 'whatever it takes to know you are real prayer.'
My Aids scare was apart of my journey in finding and maintaining my faith in God. I offered to pray the same, what ever it takes prayer for anyone looking for God.
Stimmy took my offer and spun it so he can minimize whatever I say without having to actually address relevant content, just like he did a couple of posts back.
(September 8, 2014 at 6:45 pm)Diablo Wrote: Lots of bible based stuff. What particularly?
You want people to get AIDS?!? Why?
All of it. (The bible.) I have cut out the 'religious doctrine' bits and created a picture of God solely based on the bible.
And I have a thread that goes in detail, but I was diagnosis with HIV/Aids 20+ years ago and it changed my life, after praying a 'whatever it takes to know you are real prayer.'
My Aids scare was apart of my journey in finding and maintaining my faith in God. I offered to pray the same, what ever it takes prayer for anyone looking for God.
Stimmy took my offer and spun it so he can minimize whatever I say without having to actually address relevant content, just like he did a couple of posts back.
I'm sorry for your illness, and glad that you found solace in prayer. I hope that you had medical help too.
You haven't helped me much in terms of your beliefs though. The bible says many things, like hating homosexuals, accepting slavery, refusing prawns and selling your sister, so you presumably agree with all those things. In which case you can....
September 8, 2014 at 7:11 pm (This post was last modified: September 8, 2014 at 7:16 pm by Drich.)
(September 8, 2014 at 6:54 pm)Diablo Wrote: I'm clearly missing out on some of the humour here. What's funny about cancer and AIDS?
Nothing.
I tested positive for HIV, and I had a tell tale sign (skin virus) of full blown aids, then durning my two week blood test period I was 'healed.'
This help me establish belief in God, and I offered in return to pray a similar prayer for anyone else who wanted absolute proof of God in their life.
Stimbo, took that offer and spun it in such a way as to vilify me for not wishing physical health over spiritual health.
Something he periodically brings up when ever he wants to make a jab at me or what I say, without actually contributing topically.
(September 8, 2014 at 7:06 pm)Diablo Wrote:
(September 8, 2014 at 6:52 pm)Drich Wrote: All of it. (The bible.) I have cut out the 'religious doctrine' bits and created a picture of God solely based on the bible.
And I have a thread that goes in detail, but I was diagnosis with HIV/Aids 20+ years ago and it changed my life, after praying a 'whatever it takes to know you are real prayer.'
My Aids scare was apart of my journey in finding and maintaining my faith in God. I offered to pray the same, what ever it takes prayer for anyone looking for God.
Stimmy took my offer and spun it so he can minimize whatever I say without having to actually address relevant content, just like he did a couple of posts back.
I'm sorry for your illness, and glad that you found solace in prayer. I hope that you had medical help too.
You haven't helped me much in terms of your beliefs though. The bible says many things, like hating homosexuals, accepting slavery, refusing prawns and selling your sister, so you presumably agree with all those things. In which case you can....
The bible represents two distinct religions. OT Judaism, and nt testament Christianity.
If I lived under OT law/Covenant as an OT Jew then would I follow the OT law and what it says.
As I am a NT Christian, I follow those laws and direction. As a NT Christian I accept both as being direction and the word of God.
Very interesting Drich, a wake up call indeed.
On the topic, we Christians tend to dig a foxhole where we initially hook up to a group.
That is how the denominations started (NOT talking about Catholicism).
Each group from the Reformation onward thought they had it all.
Side issues become mountains.
Here is another facet of us- many of us came to where we are, via being messed- up to begin with.
If that baggage isn't dealt with (by us) over time (and dealing with it IS something we are nudged to do by God- still our choice), it comes out.
We and everyone else, cover up with a platitude at times.
(September 8, 2014 at 6:54 pm)Drich Wrote: No disservice here, it actually gave me an oppertunity to frame my words in their orginal context... Something you generally omit.
Yeah, I'm all for censorship and totalitarianism. That's why I went back and found the "orginalcontext" which you omitted:
(August 26, 2013 at 10:31 pm)Drich Wrote:
(August 26, 2013 at 8:36 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: @Drich, I rather doubt your story. At least, the way you understood what happened. I've worked in a hospital doing clinical research and if there's anything that we love to document, it's anomalies. So your doctor would've documented it if he truly couldn't figure out what happened, then again, plenty of doctors these days don't have good training on the research part of science, depending on where they do their med school. So. Anyway.
I don't see why we have to say god did it every time we don't understand something. Just admit that you don't know what happened, and stop right there. You can do a case study and look at what probably happened, but to posit the existence of a supernatural being who cured you is too far fetched to qualify as a probability.
I've posted what doctors and researchers call my condition already. Appearently I am an 'elite comtroller.' Now that it is recognized by science , your doctor friends would sell their souls to poke and prod someone who went through my situation before their very eyes. 20 years ago there was no cure for Aids. The only cure was a "false positive" as you people have pointed out so many times already. (Even after I went thought the trouble of trying to educate you all.)
Just In case you missed it:http://atheistforums.org/thread-20455-page-5.html
Post 57 I think. It is the seventh one down.
Bottom line is 'science' doesn't know why this happens (and leaves without a trace otherwise they could potentially come up with a vaccine) but at least now (if they are upto date anyway) will acknowledge the condition. Even if they will not give God his due.
Why do I know God cured me, and the rest of the elite controller group? For the same reason there are no 'atheist' in fox holes (at least while being shot at.) when one is face with the very real threat of death, even if you have doubts, one tends to believe enough to ask for his or her own life whether they will admit it or not.
If you do not think you would be so inclined to ask God for your life, then I ASK that you allow me to pray that God place you in a prolonged situation where you fret for your life every minute of every waking hour, for several days/weeks/months or even years if need be and lets see what happens. (Ill help you get into the situation, but it is on you to work it out with God on whether or not you get back out.)
[. . .]
(August 26, 2013 at 11:10 pm)Drich Wrote:
(August 26, 2013 at 10:51 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: Atheists have bad days, bad weeks, bad months, bad years, too, and the trouble we experience as a part of life does not make us run to your magical sky daddy. Rather than resort to prayer that does not work, we actually attempt to better our lives proactively.
No Spicoli, you don't get it.
I am saying if you do not think you would ask God to spare your life when face with a terrible disease like aids, I am asking you to allow me to pray that God strike you down with aids, cancer or whatever it takes for you to beg and or grovel for your life. Why? To simply prove the point that there are no atheist when you are staring down the barrel of eternity. That is how I know those 'elite controllers' were healed. Because I know they prayed. Even the ones who thought they were atheist.
I'm not just talking about " a bad day, week, month, or even year." Again the offer is if you think you can, you will stand firm in your beliefs and not beg for mercy/life just say the word, and I will ask God to infect you with something or place you in a situation where you can find out for yourself.
gnōthi seauton.
I am giving you an oppertunity to "know thyself."
(August 26, 2013 at 10:40 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: Go ahead Drich, pray to god that I have a terrible life. Go right ahead. Prove my point and demonstrate your Christian love at the same time. Win/win.
Not a terrible life. A deadly disease. Or to be put in a life and death situation. There is nothing I am offering to do for you that I have not already prayed for myself. In that, a long time ago I asked God to do whatever it took, even if it meant my life, to help me see and understand Him. I now offer that on your behalf for you. Not as a curse but an opportunity to not only know yourself, but in the journey to get to know God.
For he who cherishes his life above all else will loose it. And he who forsakes his life for Christ will gain eternal life.
Just know I generally get what I pray for.
[. . .]
(August 27, 2013 at 12:06 pm)Drich Wrote:
(August 26, 2013 at 11:18 pm)Maelstrom Wrote: I am sure you know every single AIDS victim in the world, especially the atheists, and you know for a fact that they break down and pray?
Yes, because I know the situation. If you want intimate knoweledge of the situation I can pray that you find out.
Quote:Give me a break. You are full of shit. I am quite certain they remain strong in their disbelief despite the toll the horrible disease has on them. Just because theists are weak-minded and must resort to an imaginary friend does not mean that everyone else is just like them.
Again, if you want to know if you would stand strong in your beliefs or eventually fold, there is a way you can find out for sure.. Mind you I don't think you would fold right away, I think you would be one to exhaust all that 'modern medicine' could do for you first. then when their was nothing else to be done, and you were at your end and absolutly knew it, you would at least make the effort to ask for mercy, even if you could not admit it.
A positive about being below the poverity level and contracting something like this, you know that alot of the avaiable treatments are or will be off the table for you, so you reach out to God sooner than you would if you could afford treatment. Others may be able to hold out for longer, but eventually all will fold on some level. Even if they can not openly admit it.
(August 26, 2013 at 11:22 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I'm really disgusted that there is a human being who would wish AIDS or deadly disease on someone just to prove a point. Fuck you and fuck your god.
Not wish, Pray for it upon receiving your blessing to do so. And, it does not have to be just AIDS It could be a stroke, or cancer or anything else that it might take to save your soul. God knows how to break your pride just right, in order for you to know without doubt or hesitation that He not only exists, but you can see and hear Him working in your life.
Again I point back to what Christ said on John 12:
23 Jesus said to them, “The time has come for the Son of Man to receive his glory. 24 It is a fact that a grain of wheat must fall to the ground and die before it can grow and produce much more wheat. If it never dies, it will never be more than a single seed. 25 Whoever loves the life they have now will lose it. But whoever is willing to give up their life in this world will keep it. They will have eternal life. 26 Whoever serves me must follow me. My servants must be with me everywhere I am. My Father will give honor to anyone who serves me.
I am not praying for your death and subsequent judgement. I will be praying that you be subject to whatever it takes to provide you with eternal life. For some this could mean a winning lottery ticket, but to the hard hearted this usally means to be broken Spiritually which usally follows a physical break in one's health. Again whatever it takes is the key here. Not nessarily your death.
Oh, and I seem to have spotted a certain 'c' word in there. It would seem that your attention to detail is telling of your commitment to the truth of the matter.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(September 8, 2014 at 6:54 pm)Drich Wrote: No disservice here, it actually gave me an oppertunity to frame my words in their orginal context... Something you generally omit.
Yeah, I'm all for censorship and totalitarianism. That's why I went back and found the "orginalcontext" which you omitted:
(August 26, 2013 at 10:31 pm)Drich Wrote: I've posted what doctors and researchers call my condition already. Appearently I am an 'elite comtroller.' Now that it is recognized by science , your doctor friends would sell their souls to poke and prod someone who went through my situation before their very eyes. 20 years ago there was no cure for Aids. The only cure was a "false positive" as you people have pointed out so many times already. (Even after I went thought the trouble of trying to educate you all.)
Just In case you missed it:http://atheistforums.org/thread-20455-page-5.html
Post 57 I think. It is the seventh one down.
Bottom line is 'science' doesn't know why this happens (and leaves without a trace otherwise they could potentially come up with a vaccine) but at least now (if they are upto date anyway) will acknowledge the condition. Even if they will not give God his due.
Why do I know God cured me, and the rest of the elite controller group? For the same reason there are no 'atheist' in fox holes (at least while being shot at.) when one is face with the very real threat of death, even if you have doubts, one tends to believe enough to ask for his or her own life whether they will admit it or not.
If you do not think you would be so inclined to ask God for your life, then I ASK that you allow me to pray that God place you in a prolonged situation where you fret for your life every minute of every waking hour, for several days/weeks/months or even years if need be and lets see what happens. (Ill help you get into the situation, but it is on you to work it out with God on whether or not you get back out.)
[. . .]
(August 26, 2013 at 11:10 pm)Drich Wrote: No Spicoli, you don't get it.
I am saying if you do not think you would ask God to spare your life when face with a terrible disease like aids, I am asking you to allow me to pray that God strike you down with aids, cancer or whatever it takes for you to beg and or grovel for your life. Why? To simply prove the point that there are no atheist when you are staring down the barrel of eternity. That is how I know those 'elite controllers' were healed. Because I know they prayed. Even the ones who thought they were atheist.
I'm not just talking about " a bad day, week, month, or even year." Again the offer is if you think you can, you will stand firm in your beliefs and not beg for mercy/life just say the word, and I will ask God to infect you with something or place you in a situation where you can find out for yourself.
gnōthi seauton.
I am giving you an oppertunity to "know thyself."
Not a terrible life. A deadly disease. Or to be put in a life and death situation. There is nothing I am offering to do for you that I have not already prayed for myself. In that, a long time ago I asked God to do whatever it took, even if it meant my life, to help me see and understand Him. I now offer that on your behalf for you. Not as a curse but an opportunity to not only know yourself, but in the journey to get to know God.
For he who cherishes his life above all else will loose it. And he who forsakes his life for Christ will gain eternal life.
Just know I generally get what I pray for.
[. . .]
(August 27, 2013 at 12:06 pm)Drich Wrote: Yes, because I know the situation. If you want intimate knoweledge of the situation I can pray that you find out.
Again, if you want to know if you would stand strong in your beliefs or eventually fold, there is a way you can find out for sure.. Mind you I don't think you would fold right away, I think you would be one to exhaust all that 'modern medicine' could do for you first. then when their was nothing else to be done, and you were at your end and absolutly knew it, you would at least make the effort to ask for mercy, even if you could not admit it.
A positive about being below the poverity level and contracting something like this, you know that alot of the avaiable treatments are or will be off the table for you, so you reach out to God sooner than you would if you could afford treatment. Others may be able to hold out for longer, but eventually all will fold on some level. Even if they can not openly admit it.
Not wish, Pray for it upon receiving your blessing to do so. And, it does not have to be just AIDS It could be a stroke, or cancer or anything else that it might take to save your soul. God knows how to break your pride just right, in order for you to know without doubt or hesitation that He not only exists, but you can see and hear Him working in your life.
Again I point back to what Christ said on John 12:
23 Jesus said to them, “The time has come for the Son of Man to receive his glory. 24 It is a fact that a grain of wheat must fall to the ground and die before it can grow and produce much more wheat. If it never dies, it will never be more than a single seed. 25 Whoever loves the life they have now will lose it. But whoever is willing to give up their life in this world will keep it. They will have eternal life. 26 Whoever serves me must follow me. My servants must be with me everywhere I am. My Father will give honor to anyone who serves me.
I am not praying for your death and subsequent judgement. I will be praying that you be subject to whatever it takes to provide you with eternal life. For some this could mean a winning lottery ticket, but to the hard hearted this usally means to be broken Spiritually which usally follows a physical break in one's health. Again whatever it takes is the key here. Not nessarily your death.
Oh, and I seem to have spotted a certain 'c' word in there. It would seem that your attention to detail is telling of your commitment to the truth of the matter.
Spotting the 'c' word does not mean it was the only thing I prayed for. Again the prayer was for whatever it takes... Aids, cancer, winning lottery ticket.. Again, whatever it takes.
I find myself astonishingly unable to care. Your insinuation - actually, it was a downright assertion - was that I unjustly accused you of wishing cancer on people, when all the time it was HIV/AIDS. You used my wording to allege a cavalier attitude to the facts. And guess what we find..?
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
(September 8, 2014 at 6:54 pm)Drich Wrote: No disservice here, it actually gave me an oppertunity to frame my words in their orginal context... Something you generally omit.
Yeah, I'm all for censorship and totalitarianism. That's why I went back and found the "orginalcontext" which you omitted:
(August 26, 2013 at 10:31 pm)Drich Wrote: I've posted what doctors and researchers call my condition already. Appearently I am an 'elite comtroller.' Now that it is recognized by science , your doctor friends would sell their souls to poke and prod someone who went through my situation before their very eyes. 20 years ago there was no cure for Aids. The only cure was a "false positive" as you people have pointed out so many times already. (Even after I went thought the trouble of trying to educate you all.)
Just In case you missed it:http://atheistforums.org/thread-20455-page-5.html
Post 57 I think. It is the seventh one down.
Bottom line is 'science' doesn't know why this happens (and leaves without a trace otherwise they could potentially come up with a vaccine) but at least now (if they are upto date anyway) will acknowledge the condition. Even if they will not give God his due.
Why do I know God cured me, and the rest of the elite controller group? For the same reason there are no 'atheist' in fox holes (at least while being shot at.) when one is face with the very real threat of death, even if you have doubts, one tends to believe enough to ask for his or her own life whether they will admit it or not.
If you do not think you would be so inclined to ask God for your life, then I ASK that you allow me to pray that God place you in a prolonged situation where you fret for your life every minute of every waking hour, for several days/weeks/months or even years if need be and lets see what happens. (Ill help you get into the situation, but it is on you to work it out with God on whether or not you get back out.)
[. . .]
(August 26, 2013 at 11:10 pm)Drich Wrote: No Spicoli, you don't get it.
I am saying if you do not think you would ask God to spare your life when face with a terrible disease like aids, I am asking you to allow me to pray that God strike you down with aids, cancer or whatever it takes for you to beg and or grovel for your life. Why? To simply prove the point that there are no atheist when you are staring down the barrel of eternity. That is how I know those 'elite controllers' were healed. Because I know they prayed. Even the ones who thought they were atheist.
I'm not just talking about " a bad day, week, month, or even year." Again the offer is if you think you can, you will stand firm in your beliefs and not beg for mercy/life just say the word, and I will ask God to infect you with something or place you in a situation where you can find out for yourself.
gnōthi seauton.
I am giving you an oppertunity to "know thyself."
Not a terrible life. A deadly disease. Or to be put in a life and death situation. There is nothing I am offering to do for you that I have not already prayed for myself. In that, a long time ago I asked God to do whatever it took, even if it meant my life, to help me see and understand Him. I now offer that on your behalf for you. Not as a curse but an opportunity to not only know yourself, but in the journey to get to know God.
For he who cherishes his life above all else will loose it. And he who forsakes his life for Christ will gain eternal life.
Just know I generally get what I pray for.
[. . .]
(August 27, 2013 at 12:06 pm)Drich Wrote: Yes, because I know the situation. If you want intimate knoweledge of the situation I can pray that you find out.
Again, if you want to know if you would stand strong in your beliefs or eventually fold, there is a way you can find out for sure.. Mind you I don't think you would fold right away, I think you would be one to exhaust all that 'modern medicine' could do for you first. then when their was nothing else to be done, and you were at your end and absolutly knew it, you would at least make the effort to ask for mercy, even if you could not admit it.
A positive about being below the poverity level and contracting something like this, you know that alot of the avaiable treatments are or will be off the table for you, so you reach out to God sooner than you would if you could afford treatment. Others may be able to hold out for longer, but eventually all will fold on some level. Even if they can not openly admit it.
Not wish, Pray for it upon receiving your blessing to do so. And, it does not have to be just AIDS It could be a stroke, or cancer or anything else that it might take to save your soul. God knows how to break your pride just right, in order for you to know without doubt or hesitation that He not only exists, but you can see and hear Him working in your life.
Again I point back to what Christ said on John 12:
23 Jesus said to them, “The time has come for the Son of Man to receive his glory. 24 It is a fact that a grain of wheat must fall to the ground and die before it can grow and produce much more wheat. If it never dies, it will never be more than a single seed. 25 Whoever loves the life they have now will lose it. But whoever is willing to give up their life in this world will keep it. They will have eternal life. 26 Whoever serves me must follow me. My servants must be with me everywhere I am. My Father will give honor to anyone who serves me.
I am not praying for your death and subsequent judgement. I will be praying that you be subject to whatever it takes to provide you with eternal life. For some this could mean a winning lottery ticket, but to the hard hearted this usally means to be broken Spiritually which usally follows a physical break in one's health. Again whatever it takes is the key here. Not nessarily your death.
Oh, and I seem to have spotted a certain 'c' word in there. It would seem that your attention to detail is telling of your commitment to the truth of the matter.
Luke: You don't believe in the Force, do you?
Han Solo: Kid, I've flown from one side of this galaxy to the other, and I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen *anything* to make me believe that there's one all-powerful Force controlling everything. 'Cause no mystical energy field controls *my* destiny. It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.
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