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God vs Big Bang- Are either correct?
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God vs Big Bang- Are either correct?
The two commonly held opinions are “from nothing, God created everything” and “from nothing, the Big Bang created everything”. One is called “religion” and the other is called “scientific fact”, but both make the same claim. This claim contradicts Einstein’s “truth” that “energy cannot be created or destroyed; it can only be changed from one form to another”, but for the sake of exploring further, let’s ignore that. The “Big Bang” theory was proposed by physicists and astronomers and is based on the idea of “gravitational pressure” and how gravity interacts with “matter” and “antimatter”. It relies on “laws” of astrophysics and is said to describe the origins of all of reality.

To try to get a better understanding of this “truth”, let’s explore the “scientific facts” about gravity. First, “little g”, or the observed “G-force”, was believed to be “constant” with regard to the “the law” of acceleration until it was realized that acceleration actually depends on mass size and distance, wherefore it cannot predict acceleration through space or on different planets. Due to this the “the law” was revised. From here, Newton’s “Big G” became “the law” as the “universal gravitational constant”. However, “Big G” has not actually been observed to be constant when measured. Further, it predicts that without an external force, two objects traveling along parallel paths will always remain parallel and never meet. Particles that start off on parallel paths, however, are sometimes observed to end up colliding. Due to this, the “the law” was revised and Einstein’s general relativity became “the law” stating those objects are still traveling along the straightest possible line, but due to a distortion in space-time, the straightest possible line is now along a spherical path. This, however, predicted that the attractive force of gravity pulls all matter together, wherefore subsequent to the “Bang” the expansion of the universe should be observed to slow. This has not been observed, however, and instead, recent evidence confirms the expansion of the universe appears to be accelerating. To explain this, another revision is now necessary and a few theories have been proposed. What seems to be the common opinion now is that 96% of reality is actually unknown and undetectable substances called “dark matter” and “dark energy”. Making this assumption is said to be the only way to confirm general relativity is still a “scientific fact”.

Again, the “truth” about “Big Bang” and the evolution of the universe is currently relying upon the assumption that with all our technology, we are capable of only observing 4% of what “is”. The remaining 96% is some mysterious “other stuff” that we know nothing about. So much for getting clarification of truth through astrophysics.

So, the truth about the material universe as presented by the scientific community and accepted by public opinion is obviously lacking, but it goes further. When observed on a smaller scale, “truth” becomes even more confusing. The matter supposedly created by the “Big Bang”, which evolved into the total of our material reality, has actually been observed to act as both matter and energy when viewed on a quantum level. It has further been observed to act in spooky and “entangled” ways that defy all our previous held “truths” of physics. Quantum physicists report evidence that particles can instantly communicate with each other, even when extremely far apart, that photons pop in and out of existence, and that the observer is actually an influential factor in the perception of matter. There is currently no commonly accepted theory that unifies the observations of astrophysics with quantum mechanics.

I am curious about atheist opinion on this...
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RE: God vs Big Bang- Are either correct?
Ok, I'm reading the posts this guy is making. He strikes me as a moron who knows how to use a few latin words thinks that makes him an expert on all things scientific. Truth be told, throwing a few buzzwords out there doesn't make you a scientist anymore than reading a comic book makes me Wonder Woman.
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RE: God vs Big Bang- Are either correct?
(September 11, 2014 at 12:28 pm)TaraJo Wrote: Ok, I'm reading the posts this guy is making. He strikes me as a moron who knows how to use a few latin words thinks that makes him an expert on all things scientific. Truth be told, throwing a few buzzwords out there doesn't make you a scientist anymore than reading a comic book makes me Wonder Woman.

Was that an argument? Do you disagree with something I wrote?
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RE: God vs Big Bang- Are either correct?
Just about everything... Who are you, and what are you doing here?
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RE: God vs Big Bang- Are either correct?
(September 11, 2014 at 1:09 pm)LastPoet Wrote: Just about everything... Who are you, and what are you doing here?

I am a person interested in discussing the things that I'm reading with regard to science with people who may not have the same perspective. I think that is the way to fully flesh out my own opinions.

What are you doing here?

Also, care to explain why people on here seem so rude? I don't think I've done or said anything that should've offended anyone.
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RE: God vs Big Bang- Are either correct?
(September 11, 2014 at 1:30 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote: I am a person interested in discussing the things that I'm reading with regard to science with people who may not have the same perspective. I think that is the way to fully flesh out my own opinions.

That's a good reason.

Quote:Also, care to explain why people on here seem so rude? I don't think I've done or said anything that should've offended anyone.

You've told us on several of your threads what we believe. You have not asked us. That's pretty rude of you.

Again, maybe start a thread asking us about our atheism, instead of assuming you know what it is.

You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: God vs Big Bang- Are either correct?
(September 11, 2014 at 1:35 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:
(September 11, 2014 at 1:30 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote: I am a person interested in discussing the things that I'm reading with regard to science with people who may not have the same perspective. I think that is the way to fully flesh out my own opinions.

That's a good reason.

Quote:Also, care to explain why people on here seem so rude? I don't think I've done or said anything that should've offended anyone.

You've told us on several of your threads what we believe. You have not asked us. That's pretty rude of you.

Again, maybe start a thread asking us about our atheism, instead of assuming you know what it is.

I apologize if I have insulted you for having a misunderstanding of your perspective. I came here looking to have a discussion with people who feel that there is no evidence of intelligence to the design of reality and there is no evidence that an intelligence could be influencing reality. If that is not your opinion, feel free not to respond to my threads.
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RE: God vs Big Bang- Are either correct?
(September 11, 2014 at 1:30 pm)sswhateverlove Wrote: I am a person interested in discussing the things that I'm reading with regard to science with people who may not have the same perspective. I think that is the way to fully flesh out my own opinions.

What are you doing here?

Also, care to explain why people on here seem so rude? I don't think I've done or said anything that should've offended anyone.

I'm reading the discussions on this forum, it seems to me, that your late threads seem to be nothing but "putting words in other people's mouths" If you will. It should be normal, since you joined a forum without care to introduce yourself, and placing 5 threads in 8 minutes that you couldn't possible attend to. So, how deep is that will to discuss?

People are rude to you? Assholes usually ask that same question many times, until they decide to stop being as such.
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RE: God vs Big Bang- Are either correct?
Quote:I am curious about atheist opinion on this...


There is no evidence for any fucking god.

There is evidence for the Big Bang but that is outside of the scope of "atheism."
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He should know that, if he is so knowing, Min Big Grin
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