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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 23, 2014 at 7:00 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 6:58 pm)Christian Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 6:51 pm)Beccs Wrote: Read back on what I said. If your god used this soldier as a sacrifice to allow you to prosletyse then it's a violation of THE SOLDIER's free will.
All actions of the soldier were predetermined, so it was exactly not violation of free will.
You cannot perceive anything beyond this immediate moment, and you cannot perceive active outside interference with your free will, and therefore the only logical way to act is as if you have free will.
"All actions of the soldier were predetermined"
Hence a violation of free will. I'm starting to get a VERY bad vibe about you here . . .
The second paragraph just goes to contradict what you've been telling us about us having free will.
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 23, 2014 at 7:15 pm
I'm more worried that this is not trolling.
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
For context, this is the previous verse:
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 23, 2014 at 7:18 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 7:15 pm)Exian Wrote: I'm more worried that this is not trolling.
Sad thought, isn't it?
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 23, 2014 at 7:20 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 7:00 pm)Beccs Wrote: "All actions of the soldier were predetermined"
Hence a violation of free will. I'm starting to get a VERY bad vibe about you here . . .
The second paragraph just goes to contradict what you've been telling us about us having free will.
God's predestination does not mean that we cannot make free will choices. God predestines in and through our choices because God is all-knowing and all-powerful. He knows what we will do because he knows all things. He cannot not know all things. So, whatever you choose to do out of your own free volition is known. But his knowing doesn't mean you don't freely choose.
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 23, 2014 at 7:23 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 7:20 pm)Christian Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 7:00 pm)Beccs Wrote: "All actions of the soldier were predetermined"
Hence a violation of free will. I'm starting to get a VERY bad vibe about you here . . .
The second paragraph just goes to contradict what you've been telling us about us having free will.
God's predestination does not mean that we cannot make free will choices. God predestines in and through our choices because God is all-knowing and all-powerful. He knows what we will do because he knows all things. He cannot not know all things. So, whatever you choose to do out of your own free volition is known. But his knowing doesn't mean you don't freely choose.
Just more empty words to justify that which makes no sense. You can't have free will if your actions are predestined.
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 23, 2014 at 7:30 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 7:23 pm)Beccs Wrote: Just more empty words to justify that which makes no sense. You can't have free will if your actions are predestined.
Free-will and choice are bound to linear time and we travel time from past to future. There is nothing preventing God from seeing our whole life at once, including all our choices, and being all-knowing while preserving our free will.
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 23, 2014 at 7:34 pm
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 23, 2014 at 7:35 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 7:20 pm)Christian Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 7:00 pm)Beccs Wrote: "All actions of the soldier were predetermined"
Hence a violation of free will. I'm starting to get a VERY bad vibe about you here . . .
The second paragraph just goes to contradict what you've been telling us about us having free will.
God's predestination does not mean that we cannot make free will choices. God predestines in and through our choices because God is all-knowing and all-powerful. He knows what we will do because he knows all things. He cannot not know all things. So, whatever you choose to do out of your own free volition is known. But his knowing doesn't mean you don't freely choose. What I could show you bible passages that make it very clear that god i not all knowing?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 23, 2014 at 7:35 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 7:30 pm)Christian Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 7:23 pm)Beccs Wrote: Just more empty words to justify that which makes no sense. You can't have free will if your actions are predestined.
Free-will and choice are bound to linear time and we travel time from past to future. There is nothing preventing God from seeing our whole life at once, including all our choices, and being all-knowing while preserving our free will.
You seriously can't see what's wrong with this?
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RE: Michael Zehaf-Bibeau
October 23, 2014 at 7:36 pm
(October 23, 2014 at 7:35 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: (October 23, 2014 at 7:20 pm)Christian Wrote: God's predestination does not mean that we cannot make free will choices. God predestines in and through our choices because God is all-knowing and all-powerful. He knows what we will do because he knows all things. He cannot not know all things. So, whatever you choose to do out of your own free volition is known. But his knowing doesn't mean you don't freely choose. What I could show you bible passages that make it very clear that god i not all knowing?
Or all-powerful.
Iron chariots, anyone?
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