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November 24, 2014 at 2:46 pm
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(November 24, 2014 at 2:05 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: And we have some real history not that started in the 14th century lark you have over there. Hey...Hey! Our history is an addendum to your own. When you guys dropped the ball we picked it up. No sense complaining about that now...... 
(don't make us put you over our knee, it's always the senile uncle under one's care that has something to say, aint it....)
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November 24, 2014 at 2:48 pm
(November 24, 2014 at 2:46 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (November 24, 2014 at 2:05 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: And we have some real history not that started in the 14th century lark you have over there. Hey...Hey! Our history is an addendum to your own. When you guys dropped the ball we picked it up. No sense complaining about that now......
(don't make us put you over our knee)
Your knee couldn't handle the load.
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November 24, 2014 at 2:49 pm
LOL< you might be onto something, we can barely handle our own weight anymore.
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November 24, 2014 at 3:59 pm
Bill Maher couldn't resist.
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November 24, 2014 at 4:03 pm
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....."I don't need to clarify"......  -I wasn't really sure what clarification was required either.
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November 24, 2014 at 8:07 pm
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(November 24, 2014 at 1:22 pm)Jaysyn Wrote: (November 24, 2014 at 12:07 pm)Heywood Wrote: This whole conflict....which started in 1991....and not 2003....
Uh huh. Keep on moving those goal posts after you've been made to look like a disingenuous fool. I don't remember anyone having a huge issue with the underlying reasons of the 1991 conflict. The 2003 conflict was a completely different story.
To say they were the same conflict? That's just desperation on your part.
War is a series of related conflicts or battles. This is a series of related conflicts which began with Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. It is the modern equivalent to the Hundred Years War and like the Hundred Years War it can be divided up into phases or stages. The 2003 phase, the 1991 phase, and the quasi war in between are all part of the same war because the conflicts are all related. Its been going on for 23 years now and don't be surprised if it is still going on when you retire.
What is desperation is the lefts re-write of history just so they can demonize Bush. They talk about the 2003 conflict completely out of the larger context to which it belongs. Bush inherited the Iraqi problem from Clinton(who got it from Old man Bush). Now you can be critical of how he went about trying to solve it....you can even argue that he made the problem worse.....but it is ludicrous to think he created this problem with is lies and deceit when the democrats were saying the exact same thing he was saying.
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November 24, 2014 at 8:39 pm
...and speaking of stupid people...
(November 24, 2014 at 8:07 pm)Heywood Wrote: What is desperation is the lefts re-write of history just so they can demonize Bush. They talk about the 2003 conflict completely out of the larger context to which it belongs. Bush inherited the Iraqi problem from Clinton(who got it from Old man Bush). Now you can be critical of how he went about trying to solve it....you can even argue that he made the problem worse.....but it is ludicrous to think he created this problem with is lies and deceit when the democrats were saying the exact same thing he was saying.
I'm done trying to school this willfully ignorant clown. Any one else want to take a crack at it?
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November 25, 2014 at 4:26 pm
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(November 24, 2014 at 3:59 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: Bill Maher couldn't resist.
I have always believed that the 2003 invasion of Iraq was sold to the American public on a lie. Where I differ from the leftie lunatics like DeistPaladin is nature of the lie. The leftie lunatics want you to believe that Bush lied about the presence of WMD. I think Bush believed there was WMD just like Clinton before him did. Bush was lying about the presence of WMD as being the motivation for the invasion. I think other motivations were at play and if Bush sold the "war" on those true motivations....he wouldn't have gotten public or congressional support.
If Bill Maher can give Gruber a pass because he thinks it is okay to lie to the American public because the American public is stupid to know what is good and bad.....then Bush should get a a pass for the exact same reason. Bush basically felt we needed to do this invasion for reasons X and Y but the American Public would be too stupid to see it was good for our country. So he presented reason Z which really wasn't a reason at all....but the stupid american public would believe it was a good reason.
I believe in crowd wisdom...which requires our leaders to be upfront about things. Our leaders should present us with straight facts and then let us decide what is good for the country and what isn't.
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November 25, 2014 at 6:52 pm
(November 25, 2014 at 4:26 pm)Heywood Wrote: The leftie lunatics want you to believe that Bush lied about the presence of WMD. I think Bush believed there was WMD just like Clinton before him did.
This is not a matter of belief. From the "yellow cake from Niger" story to the Downing Street Memo, the lies of the W Bush administration are indisputable. They really lied us into a war. And yes, we can prove that.
And both stories are post Clinton.
Quote:I think other motivations were at play and if Bush sold the "war" on those true motivations....he wouldn't have gotten public or congressional support.
Prey tell, what were these "true motivations".
I'm keen to know because they've never had to provide the real reason to anyone.
Oh, and please feel free to mention in your answer exactly how you know.
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November 25, 2014 at 8:03 pm
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(November 24, 2014 at 8:07 pm)Heywood Wrote: Bush inherited the Iraqi problem from Clinton(who got it from Old man Bush). Now you can be critical of how he went about trying to solve it....you can even argue that he made the problem worse.....but it is ludicrous to think he created this problem with is lies and deceit when the democrats were saying the exact same thing he was saying.
The problem with your "logic", such as it is, is that Bush inherited a foreign policy issue that flamed up into shooting from time to time, and exacerbated America's difficulties by making one of the stupidest decisions in Presidential history.
You continnually pointing to the fact that there were prior hostilities doesn't exonerate Dubya of colossally misjudging the situation on the ground, and then lying to get his proposed course of action accepted.
Foreign policy protip: If you have to lie to implement your policy initiatives, they're probably not very sound. Dubya learnt that to the detriment of his legacy; the Republicans learnt that to the detriment of their electoral viability; and hopefully the American people will have learnt that enough to ensure that future presidents are much less quick to reach for the big stick and more apt to speak softly.
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