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RE: Obesity: five facts
November 27, 2014 at 2:43 am
(November 27, 2014 at 2:36 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: Fucking hell.
:facedesk:
Psycho, why can't you just answer my question?: were you trying to use the word "gene"?
Your a mod, and you still feed the wild life?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more. It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.
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RE: Obesity: five facts
November 27, 2014 at 3:23 am
(November 27, 2014 at 1:32 am)psychoslice Wrote: If we continue telling people that they can't help it, and its not their fault, it will only make the situation worse, don't forget its only a small number that have the so called gen, so does that mean the rest are just gluttons ?. No, once we accept that it isn't their fault, it means we have to recognise the only valid way to effectively deal with obesity is as a public health matter, and not as an individual matter.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Obesity: five facts
November 27, 2014 at 3:34 am
(November 27, 2014 at 3:23 am)Aractus Wrote: (November 27, 2014 at 1:32 am)psychoslice Wrote: If we continue telling people that they can't help it, and its not their fault, it will only make the situation worse, don't forget its only a small number that have the so called gen, so does that mean the rest are just gluttons ?. No, once we accept that it isn't their fault, it means we have to recognise the only valid way to effectively deal with obesity is as a public health matter, and not as an individual matter.
Ok then, I'll leave it at that, I believe you have a point, but it certainly doesn't represent every obese person, its much more than that, and weakness has a lot to do with it also, but who knows, maybe down the track we will know more.
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RE: Obesity: five facts
November 27, 2014 at 7:24 am
The point is, psychoslice, that we already do know a lot more than what you let on about, for example:
“Leptin is the primary signal from energy stores and exerts negative feedback effects on energy intake. In common obesity, leptin loses the ability to inhibit energy intake and increase energy expenditure; this is termed leptin resistance.” ( Enriori et al., 2006, p. 1).
Obesity is caused by leptin resistance, not by overeating. I don't see how you can't grasp that simple fact. Type 2 diabetes is caused by insulin resistance, and in its case it's true that insulin resistance is caused by the prolonged systematic over-consumption of dietary sugars; and thus it's generally considered preventable. In the case of obesity, we now know that over-consumption is not the cause of leptin resistance, it is specific food types. I.e. foods that activate chemical signals which block leptin. Lustig, for instance, believes there's evidence to show that insulin blocks leptin, and that the higher one's insulin levels are the higher their resistance to leptin will be. Leptin resistance is the cause of over-consumption, not the other way around.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Obesity: five facts
November 27, 2014 at 10:28 am
Correlation does not mean causation! 
Both venues may be the culprits... one for a few people, and one for the others...
Look what came by my facebook, a few minutes ago:
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RE: Obesity: five facts
November 27, 2014 at 6:56 pm
(November 27, 2014 at 7:24 am)Aractus Wrote: The point is, psychoslice, that we already do know a lot more than what you let on about, for example:
“Leptin is the primary signal from energy stores and exerts negative feedback effects on energy intake. In common obesity, leptin loses the ability to inhibit energy intake and increase energy expenditure; this is termed leptin resistance.” (Enriori et al., 2006, p. 1).
Obesity is caused by leptin resistance, not by overeating. I don't see how you can't grasp that simple fact. Type 2 diabetes is caused by insulin resistance, and in its case it's true that insulin resistance is caused by the prolonged systematic over-consumption of dietary sugars; and thus it's generally considered preventable. In the case of obesity, we now know that over-consumption is not the cause of leptin resistance, it is specific food types. I.e. foods that activate chemical signals which block leptin. Lustig, for instance, believes there's evidence to show that insulin blocks leptin, and that the higher one's insulin levels are the higher their resistance to leptin will be. Leptin resistance is the cause of over-consumption, not the other way around.
The thing is that I do agree with you on one level, but most obese people are fat because of bad eating habits, I can agree with you on your level, but can you also agree on my level, and if you can't, then I also cannot understand how you cannot see that.
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RE: Obesity: five facts
November 28, 2014 at 4:05 am
(November 23, 2014 at 3:02 am)Aractus Wrote: what do you think makes people over-consume?
The ample availability of food. We're programmed to desire it. Problem is it's now too easy to obtain.
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RE: Obesity: five facts
November 28, 2014 at 4:16 am
(November 28, 2014 at 4:05 am)fr0d0 Wrote: (November 23, 2014 at 3:02 am)Aractus Wrote: what do you think makes people over-consume?
The ample availability of food. We're programmed to desire it. Problem is it's now too easy to obtain.
Yep, exactly, and hence, gluttony is what is killing us.
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RE: Obesity: five facts
November 28, 2014 at 5:23 am
Incorrect.
The food industry thrives on over-selling their product, just like any industry. The more you sell the more you profit, it's capitalism 101. It's 100% true for the pharmaceutical companies too, which is why I detest seeing their ads on TV.
What the food industry did was designed foods that could be over-consumed. Although they didn't know about the hunger hormones at the time, the net effect is that they produced products that cause leptin resistance.
For Religion & Health see:[/b][/size] Williams & Sternthal. (2007). Spirituality, religion and health: Evidence and research directions. Med. J. Aust., 186(10), S47-S50. -LINK
The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke
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RE: Obesity: five facts
November 28, 2014 at 5:38 pm
All I can say is, educate yourself better, and take responsibility for your own actions, that's how I live my life and by doing so has saved my life.
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