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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 13, 2014 at 4:19 pm
(December 12, 2014 at 5:52 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: (December 12, 2014 at 1:38 am)Jenny A Wrote: Because they weren't written by disciples? And they were written much to late to make any such claim. And it's that much too late part that makes them essentially worthless.
I will gladly answer this in part 3.
Oh boy. Can't wait to not read that too.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 13, 2014 at 4:30 pm
(December 13, 2014 at 4:19 pm)whateverist Wrote: (December 12, 2014 at 5:52 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: I will gladly answer this in part 3.
Oh boy. Can't wait to not read that too.
Wouldn't part 3 be the end of the world so if there is a part 3 to this amazingly stupid story HM got left behind?
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 13, 2014 at 5:42 pm
(December 12, 2014 at 8:21 pm)His_Majesty Wrote: (December 12, 2014 at 8:14 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: Because, supposedly, he has the most important message for all of humanity. A message that everyone must get correct, or end up being punished for eternity.
Why would a god not want to communicate this message in the most accurate, least likely to be prone to errors, misinterpretations, mistranslations possible?
Instead he uses languages that he knew would know will die out, dictated to one of the most illiterate societies of the time, who wait for decades or centuries to record any of it.
Not very good long term thinking by a god that should know better.
No doubt, trust me, I understand what you are saying, and my theory is that he used illiterate people because he knew that despite all of the illiteracy, all of the persecution, all of the trials and tribulations, the message would still get out, and eventually become the world's largest religion by numbers of followers.
So in other words, all of those things you mentioned did nothing to stop the Christian foundation, spread, and growth. God knew what he was doing.
Oh...
So all you have is a baseless, illogical ad hoc explanations.
Just what I thought.
Which actually leads to another point. Why would a god that wants to communicate said critical message, leave it up to such poor apologists such as yourself (not to mention William Craig, Josh McDowell, Gary Habermas, et al) to do the job?
Wouldn't an omniscient god know that I will be unconvinced by such flawed and fallacious arguments, such as you offer?
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 13, 2014 at 5:45 pm
Wait... He used the worst method imaginable, because he knew people are so stupid it would work anyway?
That's pretty twisted, even for an ad-hoc. Also doesn't say much of his opinion of his followers.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 13, 2014 at 9:59 pm
(December 13, 2014 at 5:45 pm)robvalue Wrote: Wait... He used the worst method imaginable, because he knew people are so stupid it would work anyway?
That's pretty twisted, even for an ad-hoc. Also doesn't say much of his opinion of his followers.
It does seem like the Biblical 'Yahweh' character wants Heaven to be filled with the gullible and the credulous, like His_Majesty.
Yahweh praises faith (the least effective method of discerning fact from fiction), not evidence and reasoned argument.
John 20:29 "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
And this is supposed to be a good thing.
You'd believe if you just opened your heart" is a terrible argument for religion. It's basically saying, "If you bias yourself enough, you can convince yourself that this is true." If religion were true, people wouldn't need faith to believe it -- it would be supported by good evidence.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 13, 2014 at 10:22 pm
(December 13, 2014 at 9:59 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: (December 13, 2014 at 5:45 pm)robvalue Wrote: Wait... He used the worst method imaginable, because he knew people are so stupid it would work anyway?
That's pretty twisted, even for an ad-hoc. Also doesn't say much of his opinion of his followers.
It does seem like the Biblical 'Yahweh' character wants Heaven to be filled with the gullible and the credulous, like His_Majesty.
Yahweh praises faith (the least effective method of discerning fact from fiction), not evidence and reasoned argument.
John 20:29 "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
And this is supposed to be a good thing.
Also by gods own biblical standards aren't we all going to hell because everyone had to wear mixed fabrics at one point and ate seafood.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 14, 2014 at 12:01 am
(December 13, 2014 at 10:22 pm)dyresand Wrote: (December 13, 2014 at 9:59 pm)Simon Moon Wrote: It does seem like the Biblical 'Yahweh' character wants Heaven to be filled with the gullible and the credulous, like His_Majesty.
Yahweh praises faith (the least effective method of discerning fact from fiction), not evidence and reasoned argument.
John 20:29 "Because you have seen me, you have believed; blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”
And this is supposed to be a good thing.
Also by gods own biblical standards aren't we all going to hell because everyone had to wear mixed fabrics at one point and ate seafood.
Don't forget the bacon and the premarital sex.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 14, 2014 at 12:21 am
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 14, 2014 at 2:00 am
Quote:Also by gods own biblical standards aren't we all going to hell because everyone had to wear mixed fabrics at one point and ate seafood.
Seafood is far superior to any fucking god.
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RE: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus (Part 2)
December 14, 2014 at 8:37 am
(December 14, 2014 at 12:21 am)dyresand Wrote: what about both at the same time bacon and sex ![Wink Wink](https://atheistforums.org/images/smilies/wink.gif)
Bacon is sex.
Speaking of which, I miss Ivy.
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