MERGED: The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus Christ (Part 1) & (Part 2)

[Cyberman]

Advanced as that, eh?

[robvalue]

The thing that I really am interested in is how much people really believe, compared to their professed beliefs. Their actions often make it clear that on a fundamental level, their instincts do not believe it. But if their instincts matched their supposed beliefs, I would have no doubt in labelling that person mentally ill.

So... I don't know how to phrase it other than they are on a sliding scale between lying and mentally ill. I suppose you have to make allowance for the fact that they may not be aware they are lying. But what would you call that other than delusional/mentally ill?

I'm not trying to be mean here, but realistically I cannot see another way to describe what I see. Can anyone help me out?

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I'm also not saying it's their fault, people can be driven to be mentally ill by the way people treat them.

[Alex K]

@robvalue,

Have you read Dennetts "Breaking the Spell", it might contain some things that interest you

The thing that I really am interested in is how much people really believe, compared to their professed beliefs. Their actions often make it clear that on a fundamental level, their instincts do not believe it. But if their instincts matched their supposed beliefs, I would have no doubt in labelling that person mentally ill.

[robvalue]

No I've not, thanks for the recommendation

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Have we had "you just don't want to hear the truth because you hate me / hate God / enjoy your sinful lifestyle too much!!!" yet? That's the absolute death rattle of these things.

or the old "you just don't want to believe."

Forgetting that many atheists, perhaps the majority in places like the US, were once theists. I guess they just weren't the right 'type' of theist/Xtian.

We're in the 21st century, but reading the thoughts of some of these guys you'd think we were still in the 12th.

Hey rob, look!

http://atheistforums.org/thread-30205-po...#pid819659

It's as if it was pre-ordained,or something!

[Whateverist]

Just wanted to commend the mods for getting all the shit into one bin. Surprised you found one big enough.

[robvalue]

Haha yeah, good job guys!

I think until one single point has been established even partially, let alone beyond reasonable doubt, there's no need for more threads. And call me a pessimist if you want, but it's not going to happen is it.

However, HM seems to be deciding for us whether we are convinced. If one person on the forum has been convinced of anything they weren't already convinced of by this, I'd be interested to hear about it.

[Whateverist]

If one person on the forum has been convinced of anything they weren't already convinced of by this, I'd be interested to hear about it.

I wouldn't know. I don't read his posts. I'm just here for the piling on and so forth. Pretty sure he enjoys it as much as we do.

[Thumpalumpacus]

That's the problem though, Rob. They think they are new, and they're original and they're special for discovering/arguing them.

Well, they are special ... just not in the way that they'd like to think.

[Fidel_Castronaut]

If one person on the forum has been convinced of anything they weren't already convinced of by this, I'd be interested to hear about it.

I wouldn't know. I don't read his posts. I'm just here for the piling on and so forth. Pretty sure he enjoys it as much as we do.

Course he does.

We'd be best of friends we all followed suit and got a lobotomy.