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I did not come here to be liked, when a person speaks the truth that makes others feel something besides good about themselves they tend not to like that person, I realized that before I came here. Yes I did stand up strong in church and people told me that I was asking them hard questions because it made them deal with who they were, and people did that for me, I appreciated it, though it hurt, it made me stronger. You see I would man up instead of making excuses. Repent instead of lying to myself.
What I said about you I believe is true, sorry you do not like it. Tell me why should I hold back (though I do at times), to keep you comfortable with yourself, sorry I want lower myself to delude you, you'll have to put up with it or block my posts.
To answer your question and it will be from scripture because we have no other place to go. God has never not existed, He says he's always been and will always be, if you want to try and go crazy trying to figure that out be my guest. By the way God's statement about himself shows He desires to exist forever. Try this one on for size, it's just something for you to think about, God is eternity, without Him nothing exists, He holds all in His being.
You see if you would take the time to read the Bible and glean from it you would have already of known this and we wouldn't have had to go around and around.
GC
You cannot even answer the question how does god exist and always existed without a creator. And if god had a creator who created him. A being such as god cannot create himself...
I tried to have a decent conversation with you and you return with this crap, God was never created can you understand those four words or are you just to ignorant. You're a first class parrot who deserves little if any recognition.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(December 31, 2014 at 8:02 pm)dyresand Wrote: You cannot even answer the question how does god exist and always existed without a creator. And if god had a creator who created him. A being such as god cannot create himself...
I tried to have a decent conversation with you and you return with this crap, God was never created can you understand those four words or are you just to ignorant. You're a first class parrot who deserves little if any recognition.
GC
And how do you know that he was never created?
If you're not supposed to ride faster than your guardian angel can fly then mine had better get a bloody SR-71.
(December 31, 2014 at 8:02 pm)dyresand Wrote: You cannot even answer the question how does god exist and always existed without a creator. And if god had a creator who created him. A being such as god cannot create himself...
I tried to have a decent conversation with you and you return with this crap, God was never created can you understand those four words or are you just to ignorant. You're a first class parrot who deserves little if any recognition.
January 1, 2015 at 12:00 pm (This post was last modified: January 1, 2015 at 1:09 pm by dyresand.)
Here is my bold thought out logical argument against god. The abrahamic god of the bible Yaweh could not have existed for various reasons and inconsistencies. God of the bible is unnecessarily evil and hateful sure this is the same god from the OT. But even still Yaweh lies and kills and tries to point out that Lucifer is evil. One would wonder why did Lucifer rebel from Yaweh... Think about all the terrible things Yaweh did and well Lucifer rebelled for his various reasons. So before anyone says Lucifer is a bad guy in the bible think about it Lucifer knows god better than anyone seriously he was gods right hand man. so god is not all truly good but a evil psychopath, lair, murderer, etc. The biggest flaw of Yaweh is his human emotion.
So ill try to defend god for shits and giggles. God or Yaweh that is depicted in the bible is not god at all. Just for a moment one could not really know god no book out there could depict a god. Why would a god want to be acknowledged in a book. Now for one moment god is just there watching over us why would he wan't anyone to kill in his name why would god want that i'm pretty sure he wouldn't. I am also sure god wouldn't care if you worshiped other gods. So even if you were like this terrible person and killed people i'm pretty sure there wouldn't be hell more like some punishment maybe. Also this one other thought what if god of the bible was real... so this being can create a whole universe what is there to stop him making a whole other one and forgetting about us and well there is nothing stopping god from doing that. Who knows he could have made several of them we wouldn't know. So if god is all omni anything he would have to be in a higher plane or some type of dimension to move around time freely... I am a atheist and i have proved god you see how sad that is....
(December 31, 2014 at 8:02 pm)dyresand Wrote: You cannot even answer the question how does god exist and always existed without a creator. And if god had a creator who created him. A being such as god cannot create himself...
I tried to have a decent conversation with you and you return with this crap, God was never created can you understand those four words or are you just to ignorant. You're a first class parrot who deserves little if any recognition.
GC
Nah, you're wrong GC: god was created.
See? I can make totally unfounded assertions too!
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(December 31, 2014 at 7:41 pm)Godschild Wrote: Believe me I know what you're saying, however find me another source that proves God hasn't existed forever?
Gc
You still don't get it. You are the one making the claims that 1) God exists, and 2) God has always existed.
The burden of proof is upon you; go thou and find the evidence.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
January 1, 2015 at 2:02 pm (This post was last modified: January 1, 2015 at 2:02 pm by Thumpalumpacus.)
(December 31, 2014 at 7:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: I did not come here to be liked, when a person speaks the truth that makes others feel something besides good about themselves they tend not to like that person, I realized that before I came here.
I feel great about myself. The only feelings you arouse in me are contempt, on a bad day, and pity, on a good day. But outside of that, in the context of this forum, you're unimportant and nothing you say affects me in the least, because I know it's drivel flowing from the mouth of an ignorant child who lacks the honesty and cranial capacity to question the mental programming he's received all his life.
You're like the ant who believes that the ant-farm is the real world. You're uncultured, uneducated, and uninteresting, except in the sense that studying you teaches me more about human folly.
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so god is not all truly good but a evil psychopath, lair, murderer, etc. The biggest flaw of Yaweh is his human emotion.
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