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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 27, 2015 at 4:01 pm
Actually that 800 years was 800 moons or about 63 years.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 27, 2015 at 4:03 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 3:34 pm)SteveII Wrote: Was it just lucky that those sneaky church fathers built on the God of the Jews?
The Romans had a rule that to qualify as a religion it needed to be old.
To comply the early Christians tacked on the old testament to their beliefs.
The contradictions between the two testaments are telling and at one point there was a move to sever the links because they obviously represented very different gods.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 27, 2015 at 4:03 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 4:01 pm)IATIA Wrote: Actually that 800 years was 800 moons or about 63 years.
Where does it say that a year = a moon?
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 27, 2015 at 4:05 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 3:55 pm)SteveII Wrote: I would like to know a few Bible claims that are contradicted by scientific facts. Leave out miracles for a second because of God exists (which is kind of the theme of the Bible) then miracles exist and therefore would not be a contradiction.
Why bother? You're just going to blindly assert that your interpretation of whatever we say conveniently sidesteps the obvious contradiction.
But the easiest one would just be that the creation account is contradicted by what we know of biological evolution; the bible makes an unambiguous claim that all life was created, in pairs where humans are concerned. This is, quite simply, wrong: life evolved gradually as part of a complex, interconnected series of speciations from common ancestors. If your response is to appeal to interpretation then you're essentially saying that the bible says one thing, but means the exact opposite of the words it says, and I don't know why you expect any of us to take that seriously at all.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 27, 2015 at 4:06 pm
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(January 27, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (January 27, 2015 at 3:55 pm)SteveII Wrote: I would like to know a few Bible claims that are contradicted by scientific facts. Leave out miracles for a second because of God exists (which is kind of the theme of the Bible) then miracles exist and therefore would not be a contradiction.
Why bother? You're just going to blindly assert that your interpretation of whatever we say conveniently sidesteps the obvious contradiction.
But the easiest one would just be that the creation account is contradicted by what we know of biological evolution; the bible makes an unambiguous claim that all life was created, in pairs where humans are concerned. This is, quite simply, wrong: life evolved gradually as part of a complex, interconnected series of speciations from common ancestors. If your response is to appeal to interpretation then you're essentially saying that the bible says one thing, but means the exact opposite of the words it says, and I don't know why you expect any of us to take that seriously at all.
Ah, but that is one of God's miracles, and is thus immune to scrunity.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 27, 2015 at 4:08 pm
Really? Not going to say it? OK. I'll say it.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 27, 2015 at 4:09 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 4:08 pm)Xeno Wrote: Really? Not going to say it? OK. I'll say it.
"It's a metaphor. Duh."
Hey, give him time to pick out what he's going to outright ignore, and what he's going to grossly oversimplify! He'll say it, just give him time to concoct his bullshit first! 
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 27, 2015 at 4:12 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 3:55 pm)SteveII Wrote: I would like to know a few Bible claims that are contradicted by scientific facts. Leave out miracles for a second because of God exists (which is kind of the theme of the Bible) then miracles exist and therefore would not be a contradiction.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 27, 2015 at 4:15 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 4:05 pm)Esquilax Wrote: [quote='SteveII' pid='857519' dateline='1422388540']
I would like to know a few Bible claims that are contradicted by scientific facts. Leave out miracles for a second because of God exists (which is kind of the theme of the Bible) then miracles exist and therefore would not be a contradiction.
So anything we can point to and say that's a contradiction you want to be able to call a miracle.
Load the dice to your advantage much.
So I will ignore this and say all the miracles contradict what is possible in science and show the bible as a crock of shit.
but someone has collected a few...hundred contradictions.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/science/long.html
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 27, 2015 at 4:43 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 3:55 pm)SteveII Wrote: I would like to know a few Bible claims that are contradicted by scientific facts. Leave out miracles for a second because of God exists (which is kind of the theme of the Bible) then miracles exist and therefore would not be a contradiction.
In Genesis 1, animals are created on the 5th and 6th days, then man and woman.
In Genesis 2, Adam is created and then animals, then Eve.
Genesis 1, God separates the night from the day on day 1. But the sun and moon are created on day 4. Whoever wrote this did not know why there was a day and night on Earth.
In Genesis 2, God creates the animals so Adam won't be lonely, he wants to create a "helpmeet" for Adam.
God: So, Adam, are you sure you don't like the platypus?
Adam. No. Nor the tyrannosaurus nor the giant ground sloth.
The Bible in Genesis 2 here paints God as a goofy idiot.
The Earth is not flat nor 6,000 years old.
And science knows all this. Many years ago when I took geology courses at the University of Houston, the first thing the professor did was run through this for sake of those who had no idea that the Bible is scientifically speak, useless hooey.
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