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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 9, 2015 at 7:57 pm
(January 9, 2015 at 7:53 pm)bob96 Wrote: (January 9, 2015 at 7:36 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Not a clue.
You might get more responses if you make an introduction thread and tell us a little about yourself.
I was raised a Christian. I've struggled with issues of faith on and off over the years. It's always interesting to hear peoples view as to why they believe or don't believe in God.
I'm married with 2 boys that keep me pretty busy, and I live in Victoria Australia. 2014 was the hottest year on record (again) for Australia for three years running, yet it's the middle of Summer, and we've got the heater on because it's currently 9 degrees! (Celsius).
I admit using the word "challenge" was pretty arrogant. I should have used the word question. I'm just wondering how people can believe it possible that "something" came from "nothing" or "was always just there".
Thanks for the intro, but see, here's the thing: in our Intro forum, we have rules against bad language and flaming. You're completely vulnerable here. Just FYI.
As far as something from nothing goes, atheism is a lack of belief in deities. That's it.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 9, 2015 at 8:08 pm
(January 9, 2015 at 7:33 pm)bob96 Wrote: Imagine an alternate universe which contains a single hydrogen atom. (Lets not include dark matter or other forces in the discussion for the purpose of simplicity.) You could replace the atom with a proton, a neutron, a sub-atomic particle, or a string. The point is, it's real. It can be measured.
Now where did this hydrogen atom come from?
Was it just always there?
Did it spontaneously appear, ie. magically?
Did someone create it?
How did it come into being? Just for starters, you cannot take away the dark matter or you will have no hydrogen atom. It is not "simple" and cannot be broken down to "simplicity", because it is not "simple".
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 9, 2015 at 8:10 pm
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(January 9, 2015 at 7:33 pm)bob96 Wrote: Imagine an alternate universe which contains a single hydrogen atom. (Lets not include dark matter or other forces in the discussion for the purpose of simplicity.) You could replace the atom with a proton, a neutron, a sub-atomic particle, or a string. The point is, it's real. It can be measured.
Now where did this hydrogen atom come from?
Was it just always there?
Did it spontaneously appear, ie. magically?
Did someone create it?
How did it come into being?
How should I or anyone know where stuff comes from in your fantasy alternate universe which you just made up??? That's a nonsensical question. Can you try to reword it or emprecision it a bit to make it answerable?
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 9, 2015 at 8:12 pm
(January 9, 2015 at 7:53 pm)bob96 Wrote: I'm just wondering how people can believe it possible that "something" came from "nothing" I do not believe something came from nothing. Quote:or "was always just there".
You believe your god was always just there, do you not? Or did your god come from nothing?
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 9, 2015 at 8:19 pm
(January 9, 2015 at 7:33 pm)bob96 Wrote: Imagine an alternate universe which contains a single hydrogen atom. (Lets not include dark matter or other forces in the discussion for the purpose of simplicity.) You could replace the atom with a proton, a neutron, a sub-atomic particle, or a string. The point is, it's real. It can be measured.
Now where did this hydrogen atom come from?
Was it just always there?
Did it spontaneously appear, ie. magically?
Did someone create it?
How did it come into being?
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 9, 2015 at 8:23 pm
There would be no one in the universe to even ask that question.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 9, 2015 at 8:25 pm
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BION, but I've had a discussion on another board on a hypothetical universe with less mass, and 2 more particles.
There is/was nothing about that universe any more or less knowable or impossible than ours, except maybe for an unresolved issue about erasing information over an EXTREMELY* long period of time.
*not infinite, but close
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 9, 2015 at 8:26 pm
(January 9, 2015 at 7:33 pm)bob96 Wrote: Now where did this hydrogen atom come from? No idea..it's your story? You said it was there, so there it is.
Quote:Was it just always there?
Also not a detail you included. How long has it been there?
Quote:Did it spontaneously appear, ie. magically?
Is this a story about magic?
Quote:Did someone create it?
As far as I can see this story only has one character, a hydrogen atom.
Quote:How did it come into being?
You asked me to imagine a single hydrogen atom. That's how.
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 9, 2015 at 8:35 pm
It was actually pretty hard to pick just one from the ocean of pictures you get in a google search.
I can't remember where this verse is from, I think it got removed from canon:
"I don't hang around with mostly men because I'm gay. It's because men are better than women. Better trained, better equipped...better. Just better! I'm not gay."
For context, this is the previous verse:
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RE: A simple challenge for atheists
January 9, 2015 at 8:38 pm
...42?
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