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Dealing with Religious Family
#21
RE: Dealing with Religious Family
Well said. All that matters is that you look at the bible objectively. If you do, it's unsupported assertions not just of events, but of unprecedented types of events. So even if you accept that every word is exactly what people at that time believed was true, it just tells you what they believed. You have no way of knowing it was actually true. And considering there is absolutely no reason to think that it is, we reject it. Never mind the copious amounts of other problems.

The only reason to take it seriously at all is because you have decided to just assume it is true in some way. The only justification for this is, "Other people believe it so..." and "I've had personal experiences [which I have decided to interpret to mean the bible is true, which is an impossible inference, but it is the one I want to make nevertheless]".

Harsh? Sure. True? Yes.
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#22
RE: Dealing with Religious Family
(January 15, 2015 at 1:13 am)wolfclan96 Wrote:
(January 14, 2015 at 11:40 pm)Godschild Wrote:


Let me sum up my thoughts in a little scenario called..."The Crappy Vacuum"

Lets say theoretically I wanted to build a vacuum but knew before hand the design was flawed and ultimately knew withoute a doubt that I was only gonna get angry with it. Any rational Human being would probably save the trouble and not build the vacuum in the first place, right?

What god does is this...

Knowing before hand it's flaws and ultimately dissatisfaction (if you believe him to be all knowing) builds the vacume...then gets mad at it for being the vacuum he designed.

But it doesnt end there...

Instead of discontinueing the obviously "flawed" product...he goes on to manufacture millions and millions of that same vacuum only to be condemned into fiery damnation (which he knew already would happen but builds that particular vacuum anyway. For shits and giggles I suppose) and all that is only if you actually believe in all that bs...

It doesnt require allot of thought and research dude...just comman sence.

What "loving" father knowingly brings their child into the world knowing it was doomed to suffer hell fire?...deemed by none other then the father himself.

The Bible in of it's self was written by men, no matter how much you sugar coat it. Therefor opt to human error or personal "edit". I refuse to believe something just because it is said so in a two thousand something odd book...im sorry but no. But to be fair I will continue reading it (which am a good ways through already...never said I didnt read the bible "at all")

Im sorry if I came off hostile and offencive...but I really spoke from the debths with this.

Best to say what you believe, being honest is best.
Let's look at the vacuum again and see if there might be wrong with the way you see it.

The vacuum's design wasn't flawed, it was perfect in every way, if it wasn't the Creator wouldn't have built it. Right, that would have been a mistake and this all knowing Creator (as you said) would have seen if the vacuum wasn't perfect. He actually created a second so they could be helpful for each other and to create other perfect vacuums. They could always stay perfect, each one, if each stayed plugged in.

Then one day enters the wicked broom, it told them if you unplug you can be free like the Creator and live for yourselves, they bought into this lie and unplugged. Immediately they found they where no longer connected to the life giving force, the were unable to keep things clean by themselves, they and all that had been created became dirty, imperfect and lost as to what to do.
The Creator was disappointed, hurt and upset, their act had brought the entire creation into a darkness that could not keep the creation or them sustained, all was unconnected by this one act and dirt (sin) and death was the future.
The Creator told them He had made a firey trash pile for all who had unplugged in His house and, if they were to avoid this same fate they would have to work very hard to stay clean, for no one was allowed in His house that was dirty. He explained they had made a choice to be free unto themselves, pulling along with them all that was seen. He then cleaned them up with a cloth made from the skin of a living animal, this was the only way they could clean now, they were unplugged from the life giving power. An animal must die so they could have the ability to clean themselves, a great and terrible penalty they had brought into the creation and upon themselves. If they were to stay out of the burning trash pile, other living beings had to pay the price, death. No other way was possible, this was the Creators only solution for them and each of the children that came from them, would now be saddled with this same fate, because the cord of life couldn't be restored by them. Each death of another to clean them up was to be a reminder of the cost to unplug an be their own god.
The Creator loved them so much He would have a new plan, one that would allow those who desired to be plugged into the Creator again could chose this plan. He explained He would pay the penalty for them with His own life, He would become the ultimate cleaning cloth by suffering the death that others were paying and would re-establish the connection with them. He said it was only a matter of accepting the payment He would make.
This book you make so unimportant is the record of the events that took place to restore the vacuums to their Creator and the life giving power He has. This is a record of the cost to the vacuums and to the Creator, instead of just destroying them, because He loved them so much He decided at the appropriate time He would give His life for them and, the only cost thereafter was their acceptance of His action on their behalf.
You see the story you came away with doesn't hold up to what really happened. The choice is your's, take it or leave it. Yes, God already knows your finial choice, but He died anyway, so you could have that choice of reunion if you so desired. He rose from that death to prove it was possible for us to be reconnected. To prove there was no power greater than He.

GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#23
RE: Dealing with Religious Family
@Godschild,

Frankly, I find this to be the sweetened version of the original and firmly disagrees with everything you said. This is all assuming if you believe what the bible says...i do not.

I believe the Judeo/Christian God is one big hoax and that the bible is bassicly a book of ripoffs from predating pagan religions
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