Smut for Smut

[Arminius]

My goodness I wonder which one will pull back from mutually assured destruction....

Keeping an eye on this 'debate'.

[Dotard]

Everytime sex/porn is brought up and Pippy announces he does not care for some aspect of it, he gets accused of not or never having fulfilling relationships.

Not fair to the Pip.

Personally (this may come as a shock to some of you) I dislike/find disgusting/have no intrest in anal sex.

Poking my wanker into a sewage drain doesn't appeal to me in the least. Does that indicate I may never have had a fulfilling relationship? No.

I would agree I really never have had a fufilling relationship but I would maintain it had nothing to do with me not wanting to stick my pecker in their asshole.

[tavarish]

Everytime sex/porn is brought up and Pippy announces he does not care for some aspect of it, he gets accused of not or never having fulfilling relationships.

Not fair to the Pip.

Personally (this may come as a shock to some of you) I dislike/find disgusting/have no intrest in anal sex.

Poking my wanker into a sewage drain doesn't appeal to me in the least. Does that indicate I may never have had a fulfilling relationship? No.

I would agree I really never have had a fufilling relationship but I would maintain it had nothing to do with me not wanting to stick my pecker in their asshole.

Porn does not equal anal sex.

I don't enjoy administering anal sex either. Too many horror stories for it to be a preference. It's not that he doesn't like some aspect of it, it's that he doesn't like it AT ALL, which just led me to ask if he'd had any sexually fulfilling relationships, because it can be a very effective tool in a long-lasting and healthy experience between two people. That's all I meant. Plus, if anything, it can be an eye-opener to new things you haven't tried or would like to try. I know I've gotten lots of good ideas by watching videos, studying how those positions are done, and acting them out with a significant other.

It doesn't mean you have to enjoy watching beastiality or people pee on each other.

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It is sensationalist and rude, that was the fucking point. Good job, YOU GOT IT!

Do i get a fish treat?

I'm sure it gets under your skin, but that was the POINT.

No I am laughing at them. They are not under my skin. If they want to help associate atheism with pornography they can.

Cry me a river, cupcake. I told you that this was a result of religious proselytizers, and somehow you don't get it. It wasn't meant to pussyfoot around a subject.

[quote='Pippy' pid='59485' dateline='1268361220']
See you being disingenuous, holding a mean double standard. religious proselytizers have been mean to you yourself for over 2000 years, so that justifies that you (theoretically) be rude. If the thing that the proselytizers did was wrong, then the thing the atheists did was wrong as well. You can't justify being rude because someone was rude to you. If you do you are a hypocrite.

I didn't say it was the best way to go about it, nor did I support it. I simply told you what it was about and said I found it funny. I explained to you that rudeness does not impose on others' rights, but Christianity in the U.S. does. Passing out porn isn't a breach of freedom of assembly or speech. I also told you that other groups can protest them just as readily.

I honestly do not care if others consider my actions rude. Personally, I try to act as morally as possible. This isn't about me though - it's about the group that handed out porn and were apparently doing it completely wrong, even though they got their desired result.

Are we going in circles? Not sink to their level. Act with more self respect than that. Belittle me for being self righteous for not supporting 'sinking to their level'.

Specifically, what would you do?

Yes. Most. I consider most straight normal sex sick. But yes. I like how it is a lifestyle choice now. I am not a pederast, it's a lifestyle.

I don't understand. Are you gay?

Then what is the point?

It was all about attention and sensationalism, which apparently you miscontrue as a bunch of atheists just being rude to christians. I'll make it clear that I wouldn't do so myself, and I don't support them. I'm telling you what the desired effect was.

Not to me. I think atheism is the same as every other belief, an attempt to define reality. You should want more for atheism than publicity stunts. But it's up to you.

Yes, as a non-belief in something defines reality. Atheism doesn't presuppose a damn thing.

I don't want anything for atheism, it isn't a school of thought or internal dogma. It's a disbelief of the claim that a God exists.

Of course.

Evidence for the contrary?

Ummmm. No. Never. Because I hate porn, and all girls like to watch porn all the time, and love porn in the bedroom, I have never been with a girl. I hate porn because it dehumanizes both the actress and the viewer. If I could ask, why does my aversion to porn mean I have never had a relationship? Is an aversion to porn an emotional disorder these days? Does my aversion to porn mean an aversion to sex? Because porn and sex are not the same thing. Porn is a toxic mimic of sex, and falsity.

Thanks.

Porn can be an important tool in the bedroom. It can broaden the horizons of sexual explorations, and also outline what you mutually like and dislike. In any long lasting relationship, it's important to be sexually open and communicative with each other. I don't understand why you say it dehumanizes the person when they're willing to do so. It's a service for money, and a very human action to be portraying, as we are hard-wired to do it and want it. Porn and sex are not the same thing. Porn is a reproduction of sexual fantasy and fetish. Sex is the act. If you contend that it's immoral, then so be it. I just hope you won't be so prudish with someone that is sexually honest and open with you.

[Oldandeasilyconfused]

I would agree I really never have had a fufilling relationship

Well said old sock.

Well, I wouldn't say 'never' .There was one, in 1994 which lasted 3 weeks. That was very fulfilling, not to mention exhausting.

but I would maintain it had nothing to do with me not wanting to stick my pecker in their asshole.

Yeah, ,I can't say exploring Vegemite valley has ever held any appeal[/quote].

[Pippy]

Everytime sex/porn is brought up and Pippy announces he does not care for some aspect of it, he gets accused of not or never having fulfilling relationships.
Not fair to the Pip.

Hey, thanks. It is nice of you to say that that is unfair. I didn't get it either, that if I dislike porn I must be sexually unhealthy. I thought liking porn made you unhealthy.

I explained to you that rudeness does not impose on others' rights, but Christianity in the U.S. does.

Rudeness does impose on others, that is the nature of it being rude. May be your first amendment right to say and think what you will trumps someone elses supposed (but not amended) right to not be offended. But isn't it a double standard? Christianity is annoying and in your face. So these Atheists from Bean Town are annoying and in your face. And I point out, 'hey those guys are being annoying on purpose', and it seems your response is 'Christians are asshole too!'. I know that this group isn't you, and that some college kids in Mass don't represent atheism proper, that it is much looser than that. It just reminds me of the post from a while ago that showed the prank callers. Someone wrote "We need more people like that in the world", and I was flabbergasted. We need more people willing to put it all on the line, to take a risk and make a prank phone call. It seems that immaturity and silliness are commendable if they are on your side of the argument.

Specifically, what would you do?

If I were them, I would trade bibles for Dawkins <shudder>. Something that didn't tie my beliefs in with immorality and smut. If I were really them I would be happy to respect others beliefs. If I were really, really them I would realize that there is no way that this reality came into existence by sheer chance alone, and I would convert from atheism...

I don't understand. Are you gay?

No. I find most sex disgusting. Not just peeing on people, or this infamous guys and cups thing. The way people act at the bar, like rutting animals. The way people compromise themselves just to feel good, to pretend to be loved. I know a very lot about unhealthy relationships with objects, being a lay Buddhist and an ex drug addict. Modern sex is a drug. You do it as much as possible. You can get books to help you do it better. I try to leave sex where is belongs, sacred sharing, and making babies. Sex is far to serious to be a game. And then there's dominance for the sake of dominance... I just don't like porn. It demeans the actor, sure, but most importantly it affects your neurology in a negative way. But I remember how this goes. If you guys love porn, and can't even understand how some of us would think there is anything wrong with it, please feel free.

It was all about attention and sensationalism, which apparently you miscontrue as a bunch of atheists just being rude to christians. I'll make it clear that I wouldn't do so myself, and I don't support them. I'm telling you what the desired effect was.

I don't think they're being rude for the sake of being rude, but then again... The desired effect was to get a rise, I know. They did, I know. But can't I scoff at that?

Evidence for the contrary?

Why would I give evidence to the contrary if I was in agreement with you?

I don't understand why you say it dehumanizes the person when they're willing to do so.

It is not whether or not they are willing. That most porn (and here, like with my hating TV and other things, I have to admit my knowledge of the subject) is about male dominance. Fucking the shit out of a girl. Girls love giving head, they can even reach orgasm. You girlfriend should be lucky enough to get to give you head. Girls like going ass to mouth. Oh wait, it's probably abhorrent to them, but the man makes them do it anyways. Dominance. That is not teaching you to be a better lover. Porn desensitizes you neural response to sex, thereby making sex less enjoyable, not more so. Porn objectifies the woman (and the man), thereby teaching you unhealthy standards, again not really helping in the bedroom. Porn is the best example of the mental effect and damage that the invention of moving pictures can create.

I hate porn because it is clearly a weapon. It was a poor idea in the past, but now it is designed to do as much damage to the minds of young people as possible. Go do some research about porn addiction, or just porn in general. The whole thing about 'I use to like dykes, but now I've progressed to dog on dog action'. Why are people watching more and more sicker and sicker porn? Not because it is opening their horizons, but because they need to push harder to release the brain chemicals they want. Very clearly an unhealthy relationship with an object.

Thank you.

[tavarish]

Rudeness does impose on others, that is the nature of it being rude. May be your first amendment right to say and think what you will trumps someone elses supposed (but not amended) right to not be offended. But isn't it a double standard?

Everyone has the right to be offended. They are expressing that right by being offended. Some people, mostly religious, think that other shouldn't be able to criticize their methods. Civil rights and etiquette are not the same thing, not even close. It's not a double standard when one group actively imposes on the civil rights of others on a daily basis, while the other tries to get a rise out of people. It's not the same thing.

Christianity is annoying and in your face. So these Atheists from Bean Town are annoying and in your face. And I point out, 'hey those guys are being annoying on purpose', and it seems your response is 'Christians are asshole too!'. I know that this group isn't you, and that some college kids in Mass don't represent atheism proper, that it is much looser than that. It just reminds me of the post from a while ago that showed the prank callers. Someone wrote "We need more people like that in the world", and I was flabbergasted. We need more people willing to put it all on the line, to take a risk and make a prank phone call. It seems that immaturity and silliness are commendable if they are on your side of the argument.

I don't care what side of the argument they're on. If they're funny, they're funny.

If I were them, I would trade bibles for Dawkins <shudder>. Something that didn't tie my beliefs in with immorality and smut. If I were really them I would be happy to respect others beliefs.

So peddling a book entitled "The God Delusion" to believers wouldn't be considered immoral by those you're proselytizing to? Being happy to respect others' beliefs is all well and good when others aren't imposing on your rights. I've said this twenty times already. If you see a group gaining ground that hinders the progression of civil and human rights, you have a right to protest. Being rude isn't a breach of rights, it's bad etiquette, but nothing that people can't forget about after a few minutes.

If I were really, really them I would realize that there is no way that this reality came into existence by sheer chance alone, and I would convert from atheism...

Personal incredulity rears its ugly head.

"I can't imagine how natural processes could develop the world, so it must have been God!"

Keep your arguments from ignorance to yourself.

No. I find most sex disgusting. Not just peeing on people, or this infamous guys and cups thing. The way people act at the bar, like rutting animals. The way people compromise themselves just to feel good, to pretend to be loved. I know a very lot about unhealthy relationships with objects, being a lay Buddhist and an ex drug addict. Modern sex is a drug. You do it as much as possible. You can get books to help you do it better. I try to leave sex where is belongs, sacred sharing, and making babies. Sex is far to serious to be a game. And then there's dominance for the sake of dominance... I just don't like porn. It demeans the actor, sure, but most importantly it affects your neurology in a negative way. But I remember how this goes. If you guys love porn, and can't even understand how some of us would think there is anything wrong with it, please feel free.

So I'm guessing you haven't had any sexually exploratory relationships. When you're with someone for a while, you realize that the physical demands are just as important as emotional needs. I'm not saying you should love porn, but to hate it as if it's humanity's downfall is a HUGE stretch. Everyone can have vices, whether it be porn or constructing model trains. Too much of anything can be a bad thing.

I don't think they're being rude for the sake of being rude, but then again... The desired effect was to get a rise, I know. They did, I know. But can't I scoff at that?

Sure you can, just like I can call you out on inconsistencies in your argument.

It is not whether or not they are willing. That most porn (and here, like with my hating TV and other things, I have to admit my knowledge of the subject) is about male dominance.

More men watch porn. It's a matter or marketing to the public and catering to the people who use the product the most. No surprise there.

Fucking the shit out of a girl. Girls love giving head, they can even reach orgasm. You girlfriend should be lucky enough to get to give you head. Girls like going ass to mouth. Oh wait, it's probably abhorrent to them, but the man makes them do it anyways. Dominance.

Not all porn is like this, and there ARE girls out there that do this. It's also meant to be based in fantasy, not reality.

That is not teaching you to be a better lover. Porn desensitizes you neural response to sex, thereby making sex less enjoyable, not more so. Porn objectifies the woman (and the man), thereby teaching you unhealthy standards, again not really helping in the bedroom. Porn is the best example of the mental effect and damage that the invention of moving pictures can create.

Porn isn't relationship advice, nor should it be taken as a literal interpretation of how to treat your lover. However, it can greatly excite both partners and re-ignite flames of passion in a monotonous physical relationship. It can be a breath of fresh air for couples willing to do something new. Many sex therapists consider watching porn to be mutually beneficial for a couple dealing with a smaller sex drive.

I hate porn because it is clearly a weapon. It was a poor idea in the past, but now it is designed to do as much damage to the minds of young people as possible. Go do some research about porn addiction, or just porn in general. The whole thing about 'I use to like dykes, but now I've progressed to dog on dog action'. Why are people watching more and more sicker and sicker porn? Not because it is opening their horizons, but because they need to push harder to release the brain chemicals they want. Very clearly an unhealthy relationship with an object.

Thank you.

"Clearly a weapon" is a very misconstrued and ignorant statement. It's made primarily to provide a service for money, as many people have varying sexual fetishes and preferences. Curiosity progresses, much like the fact that people search wikipedia for hours, exploring various subjects. The same goes for porn. I've seen the depths of the most depraved things on the internet, and I understand that I don't like any of the actions portrayed there. I don't consider it a weapon as much as I consider it a release of sexual inhibitions.

People watch "sicker" porn as a result of their curiosity and the ease and accessibility of the internet, not as a function of porn itself. It's not a slippery slope if you don't treat it like a life lesson, and even if you do, you probably have bigger problems than going to porn for advice with love.

I'll elaborate more a bit later.

[LEDO]

I admit I tried anal sex once when I first got married. I didn't like it, but for some reason my Catholic wife liked it. I am turned off by porn that involves anal sex. I am your typical male pig. I like big boobs and give me head "til I am dead kinda guy. I don't see any reason to look a woman in their eyes when I talk to them as long as their boobs are on the front.

I am not sure if porn is per se is addictive. I think people enjoy the sexual gratification they get from jacking and jilling and porn is just an instrument which aids people in getting off. After you get off from porn, do you still watch it? That would be an addiction. There was a great thinker who used a prostitute to "clear his mind." He would have sex with her and then afterwards go on to formulate his work. The hormones and desire got in his way of thinking. Professional women know this (strippers, hookers etc.). A man doesn't think right when he is aroused. He will spend all kinds of money, get into fights etc. just for a 15 second orgasm. Then he will look back and say, "Shit. I can't believe I did that." That is why there are 6 billion of us.

[Pippy]

"I can't imagine how natural processes could develop the world, so it must have been God!
Keep your arguments from ignorance to yourself."

Please re-read that point. I didn't say that god must exist out of ignorance. The argument is not that I myself don't understand where reality came from. The argument is that I know it is not possible for the reality we understand to be a matter of chance. It is not an argument about what I do not know, but knowledge we all have access to. Great thinkers and scientists have made many a quotable about the chances of random change (ergo macro-evolution) being able to create the systems we can see being nil. The argument for god based on science and knowledge instead of ignorance and dogma is stonger now that it's ever been. The more we learn, the greater She is. This is not an argument from ignorance. It is based on knowledge, not the lack of knowledge.

I appreciate everything else you took the time to say. Sure, you can frame porn as just someone trying to make a buck. But I think it is simplifying it. Are people who make and sell illegal drugs just entrepreneurs? There's a market for child sex slaves. Sometimes we need to make a moral judgment on the product or service, if that thing being sold is itself immoral. Porn counts as a drug, look it up. The way it interacts with you bio chemical states. That is why it leads to grosser and grosser videos. Not curiosity, but the darker side of that concept. Desensitization and a high or rush of the pictures.

Porn is not conforming to customers demands, it is like music. It makes it's shit, and customers learn to demand it. Show me some kid who all his life only wanted to see a girl take something out of her rectum and put it in her mouth. I don't believe it is even possible to think that thought without someone first putting it in your head.

I truly think it is a function of the porn itself. The slippery slope...

Feel free to like it, and defend it. I respect your right to do whatever you want with your mind, your time, your energy. But I hate porn. One day every girl will have a father that tells her "you deserve better", and no girls will be stupid enough to go into the business. You guys have been hoodwinked into believing you are nothing more than monkeys. Keep you animal nature, but allow me to act as I see fit. I really don't mean to sound so full of myself, but I can't stress how much it offends me, porn.

Thanks.

[tavarish]

"I can't imagine how natural processes could develop the world, so it must have been God!
Keep your arguments from ignorance to yourself."

Please re-read that point. I didn't say that god must exist out of ignorance. The argument is not that I myself don't understand where reality came from. The argument is that I know it is not possible for the reality we understand to be a matter of chance.

That would be an argument from ignorance. How do you know something is not possible to have been brought about through natural processes? "Matter of chance" is a red herring, as everything in life is subject to chance. The actual argument is made when you can't accept a natural process occurring by any other means but some God that magically solves everything.

Again, how do you know it is not possible?

It is not an argument about what I do not know, but knowledge we all have access to. Great thinkers and scientists have made many a quotable about the chances of random change (ergo macro-evolution) being able to create the systems we can see being nil. The argument for god based on science and knowledge instead of ignorance and dogma is stonger now that it's ever been. The more we learn, the greater She is. This is not an argument from ignorance. It is based on knowledge, not the lack of knowledge.

LOL! This whole time I thought you were talking about something else. You want to use the tired argument that macro evolution isn't possible?

Let's do this once an do it right, shall we?

Evolution is not random chance. It is quite the opposite. It is through the process of natural selection that things evolve and retain survivability. Over 99 percent of ALL living things EVER have gone extinct. If this is a design, it is an extremely inefficient one.

I suggest you read up a bit, as scientists saying evolutionary development is not possible probably aren't the best in their field

The only lack of knowledge here is from your side.

I appreciate everything else you took the time to say. Sure, you can frame porn as just someone trying to make a buck. But I think it is simplifying it.

No, it's calling a spade a spade. It's a billion dollar a year industry. It's not that way by accident.

Are people who make and sell illegal drugs just entrepreneurs?

Yes. They just make money illegally. Same as those who sold moonshine during prohibition.

There's a market for child sex slaves. Sometimes we need to make a moral judgment on the product or service, if that thing being sold is itself immoral.

If you can't see a difference between consentual sex between two adults and pedophilia, then I don't know what else to say. The sex slave trade is not anything like a legal prostitution trade. You can't compare the bunny ranch with Thai child sex slaves. It's like comparing plantation slaves in the 18th century with unionized domestic workers today.

Porn counts as a drug, look it up. The way it interacts with you bio chemical states. That is why it leads to grosser and grosser videos. Not curiosity, but the darker side of that concept. Desensitization and a high or rush of the pictures.

Adrenaline also counts as a drug. So does cough syrup and aspirin. I said before, too much of anything can be a bad thing. There are people who abuse porn, but there are also people that abuse cough syrup. Moderation is key. Why is desensitizing a bad thing? Human curiosity leads people to traverse the "worst" videos out there, not that porn somehow makes you inherently sexually deviant. It can bring fetishes to light, but it doesn't make you sub-human.

Porn is not conforming to customers demands, it is like music. It makes it's shit, and customers learn to demand it. Show me some kid who all his life only wanted to see a girl take something out of her rectum and put it in her mouth. I don't believe it is even possible to think that thought without someone first putting it in your head.

Another argument from personal incredulity. Please stop doing this.

I truly think it is a function of the porn itself. The slippery slope...

Feel free to like it, and defend it. I respect your right to do whatever you want with your mind, your time, your energy. But I hate porn. One day every girl will have a father that tells her "you deserve better", and no girls will be stupid enough to go into the business. You guys have been hoodwinked into believing you are nothing more than monkeys. Keep you animal nature, but allow me to act as I see fit. I really don't mean to sound so full of myself, but I can't stress how much it offends me, porn.

Thanks.

One day we will all think the same way without dissent. We will all have objective moral standards and those who choose to go against that standard will be heavily chastised.

You're putting porn, sex slave trade and sexual depravity in the same sentence, and they are mutually exclusive concepts. It offends you, and I'm wondering what happened in your life to make you detest anything sexual.

[LEDO]

And remember kids, it is not polite to give your mother a Dirty Sanchez. I understand the child sex trade has gone down since MJ died.