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NASA and the missing day
January 20, 2015 at 9:08 am
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So yesterday my shaman-friend a.k.a. "weed guy" stopped by to show me his "rig" for smoking oil, or "dabs." After we got sufficiently high, we somehow got on the topic of Neil deGrasse Tyson, since my friend really enjoys "Cosmos," and from there, discussed the scientific method, which naturally, of course, digressed to the topic of religion. My friend was telling me that he's a Christian, and when I appeared skeptical, he offered the "story" of "critic" Josh McDowell who set out to disprove the faith and couldn't do so, becoming a popular name in evangelical households for his defense of Christian theology! Of course, I'm semi-familiar with McDowell's shtick (I once personally spoke with him in fact --- not bragging), and raised some of my general concerns with treating the Bible as history. My friend replied with this argument I had never heard before, about scientists discovering a "missing day" using information derived from star light that coincided with the tale of God causing the sun to stand still in Joshua. Obviously, I knew this was bullshit but decided to investigate the matter. Incredibly, a quick Google search revealed that even creationist websites seem to acknowledge this "urban legend." Here's a quick summary of it: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl...ng_day.htm
Why do so many believers need to lie to the less informed to try to make their faith sound reasonable? At least a more honest approach, though no less flawed, would be something like Kierkegaard suggested, that the faith is so ridiculous no human being would have ever conjured it up.
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RE: NASA and the missing day
January 20, 2015 at 9:14 am
It is very sad that apologetics either don't know or don't care that they are continually being deceitful. Every time I hear one, it makes the whole cause less credible.
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RE: NASA and the missing day
January 20, 2015 at 9:20 am
(This post was last modified: January 20, 2015 at 9:21 am by Fidel_Castronaut.)
Thing is, it's impossible to 'disprove' faith. Faith is nebulous. It's a personal relationship with a belief, or the object of that belief. You can't disprove that.
What you can do is question the belief itself, and poke holes/reinforce the premise that belief is based on. Like this missing day thing. As you say, utter bull, but people still gonna believe in it even if they know, deep down, it's impossible.
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RE: NASA and the missing day
January 20, 2015 at 9:22 am
(January 20, 2015 at 9:08 am)Pickup_shonuff Wrote: So yesterday my shaman-friend a.k.a. "weed guy" stopped by to show me his "rig" for smoking oil, or "dabs." After we got sufficiently high, we somehow got on the topic of Neil deGrasse Tyson, since my friend really enjoys "Cosmos," and from there, discussed the scientific method, which naturally, of course, digressed to the topic of religion. My friend was telling me that he's a Christian, and when I appeared skeptical, he offered the "story" of "critic" Josh McDowell who set out to disprove the faith and couldn't do so, becoming a popular name in evangelical households for his defense of Christian theology! Of course, I'm semi-familiar with McDowell's shtick (I once personally spoke with him in fact --- not bragging), and raised some of my general concerns with treating the Bible as history. My friend replied with this argument I had never heard before, about scientists discovering a "missing day" using information derived from star light that coincided with the tale of God causing the sun to stand still in Joshua. Obviously, I knew this was bullshit but decided to investigate the matter. Incredibly, a quick Google search revealed that even creationist websites seem to acknowledge this "urban legend." Here's a quick summary of it: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl...ng_day.htm
Why do so many believers need to lie to the less informed to try to make their faith sound reasonable? At least a more honest approach, though no less flawed, would be something like Kierkegaard suggested, that the faith is so ridiculous no human being would have ever conjured it up.
The more numbers you have supporting your delusion/cult, the more your delusion/cult become a religion.
Discribe your friends new dabber. He make his own oil?
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RE: NASA and the missing day
January 20, 2015 at 9:25 am
(January 20, 2015 at 9:20 am)Fidel_Castronaut Wrote: Thing is, it's impossible to 'disprove' faith. Faith is nebulous. It's a personal relationship with a belief, or the object of that belief. You can't disprove that.
What you can do is question the belief itself, and poke holes/reinforce the premise that belief is based on. Like this missing day thing. As you say, utter bull, but people still gonna believe in it even if they know, deep down, it's impossible. No, I can't disprove faith. Plenty of people seem to think you can prove it though, as seen on this forum.
It's very to easy to prove that faith is completely stupid. You'd think that would be enough.
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RE: NASA and the missing day
January 20, 2015 at 9:27 am
Yeah you would wouldn't you? Testament to the silliness of people, I guess.
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RE: NASA and the missing day
January 20, 2015 at 9:34 am
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(January 20, 2015 at 9:22 am)h4ym4n Wrote: Discribe your friends new dabber. He make his own oil? I think he gets it from a dispensary, but gets the hook up on pretty much everything in apparently large amounts. He's trying to sell me on getting a g-pen but I tend to get way too high on the oil.
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RE: NASA and the missing day
January 20, 2015 at 10:04 am
Ancient semi-savages didn't know that the Earth revolves around the Sun, so they believed it might be possible to "stop the Sun". Modern semi-savages keep that myth alive.
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RE: NASA and the missing day
January 20, 2015 at 10:49 am
I must say, that's a nice urban legend. Better than "men are missing a rib".
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RE: NASA and the missing day
January 20, 2015 at 10:49 am
Did they look behind the fridge?
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