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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 27, 2015 at 1:49 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 11:27 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: ... and I'm not even a Trekkie!
Live long and prosper was Spocks saying, in case people didn't get it.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 27, 2015 at 1:55 pm
(January 27, 2015 at 1:49 pm)Bad Wolf Wrote: (January 27, 2015 at 11:27 am)Parkers Tan Wrote: ... and I'm not even a Trekkie!
Live long and prosper was Spocks saying, in case people didn't get it.
I am pretty sure he didn't want the not so bright ones to prosper either.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 28, 2015 at 2:19 am
Okay folks! I get your point! I'm gonna leave this thread now and try to recover from all these arrow wounds.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 28, 2015 at 8:32 am
I find that hard to believe. Just to prove that you really did get our point, would you mind explaining our point to us?
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
"If my good friend Doctor Gasparri speaks badly of my mother, he can expect to get punched.....You cannot provoke. You cannot insult the faith of others. You cannot make fun of the faith of others. There is a limit." - Pope Francis on freedom of speech
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 28, 2015 at 10:13 am
(January 28, 2015 at 2:19 am)Lek Wrote: Okay folks! I get your point! I'm gonna leave this thread now and try to recover from all these arrow wounds.
I hope they aren't too painful. I sympathize. There was a time when I would have largely agreed with you.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 28, 2015 at 12:59 pm
(January 28, 2015 at 8:32 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: I find that hard to believe. Just to prove that you really did get our point, would you mind explaining our point to us? You believe that this life is our only existence, therefore, it is of the highest moral imperative to live as long as possible. You will go through whatever it takes to prolong it because there is nothing else. I understand and respect your point of view based upon your beliefs.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 28, 2015 at 1:10 pm
(This post was last modified: January 28, 2015 at 1:11 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(January 28, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Lek Wrote: (January 28, 2015 at 8:32 am)Bad Wolf Wrote: I find that hard to believe. Just to prove that you really did get our point, would you mind explaining our point to us? You believe that this life is our only existence, therefore, it is of the highest moral imperative to live as long as possible. You will go through whatever it takes to prolong it because there is nothing else. I understand and respect your point of view based upon your beliefs.
That was a good try, and you captured some of it. You left out our responsibility to give children their best chance in life, taking into account the probabilities, and a child's rights versus an adult's rights and responsibilities.
If the girl only had a 10% chance of surviving the chemo, I would feel very differently about this scenario. That we will 'go through whatever it takes' isn't very fair, it does depend on what it takes, and what the likely outcomes are.
Believing that an adult has the right to discontinue treatment even if the odds are in their favor, while a child's parents or guardians should listen to doctors and not throw away a good chance of survival and recovery for their child, is not an inconsistent position. It's not even an unChristian one.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 28, 2015 at 1:10 pm
So the answer is: no, you didn't get our point.
'The more I learn about people the more I like my dog'- Mark Twain
'You can have all the faith you want in spirits, and the afterlife, and heaven and hell, but when it comes to this world, don't be an idiot. Cause you can tell me you put your faith in God to put you through the day, but when it comes time to cross the road, I know you look both ways.' - Dr House
“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 28, 2015 at 1:25 pm
(January 28, 2015 at 1:10 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: That was a good try, and you captured some of it. You left out our responsibility to give children their best chance in life, taking into account the probabilities, and a child's rights versus an adult's rights and responsibilities.
If the girl only had a 10% chance of surviving the chemo, I would feel very differently about this scenario. That we will 'go through whatever it takes' isn't very fair, it does depend on what it takes, and what the likely outcomes are.
Believing that an adult has the right to discontinue treatment even if the odds are in their favor, while a child's parents or guardians should listen to doctors and not throw away a good chance of survival and recovery for their child, is not an inconsistent position. It's not even an unChristian one.
I don't speak for all christians. My opinions are my own. I agree that every situation should be considered according to its own circumstances. I've often contemplated what I would do if I had cancer or something and were faced with a similar decision. Of course, I would have to decide according to how God was leading me, but my own desires would be to discontinue the treatment.
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RE: Girl dies of stupid parents
January 28, 2015 at 1:33 pm
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Right, but we weren't talking about you deciding for yourself. We were talking about a minor who is fully dependent on you.
We're talking about you taking at face value that jesus said stuff to the kid, and on that basis you're prepared to essentially kill her. Even though she wants to live.
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