Daystar

[Edwardo Piet]

Talking to you people about evolution is - and trust me I know this - just like talking to the most zealous Xians.

You say us atheists or 'us people' are very zealous. But we merely dismiss the bible because there's no proof of its 'truth'.
If you're not talking about the bible at all. And calling us zealous for believing in evolution thats obviously totally absurd. You are being very zealous by saying "trust me I know this" when how on earth can you know it? Ok so you have made a claim here. You say you know we're as zealous as the 'most zealous Xians'. Ok here's a claim. So prove it.

[Tiberius]

Ok here's a claim. So prove it.

Exactly what I've been asking him to do for ages. The difference between us talking about Evolution and fundies talking about Christianity is that we have a rapidly increasing pile of evidence to back up our claims, and fundies only have one piece of evidence that has been disproved and discredited by reason more times that anyone can imagine.

[Daystar]

And that alone makes you a Fundy ... I mean let's get real here.

The scientific community accepts evolution, there are a few (very few) who don't but no relevant scientist or group doubts evolution, not one. Evolution, as a scientific theory, is now no more doubted than the theory that the Earth goes round the sun or that things fall towards the strongest attracting gravitational field ... no scientist works any longer on whether evolution occurs but on the mechanisms by which it proceeds.

So? For hundreds of years they accepted Newton's theory of gravity as scientific theory beyond a doubt. Big fucking deal, that is the nature of scientific theory. Someone guesses and until someone with any real sense comes along all the idiots accept it. You know that!

So you disagree, you say it's a joke ... but what you are really saying is that 99% of the scientific community (and 100% of all relevant experts) are either so stupid they have been fooled by this evolution nonsense or they are engaged in a global conspiracy. If there is any other option I am not aware of it ... so which is Daystar? How do you explain how virtually the entire scientific community, arguably the most advanced thinkers on this planet, have been fooled into believing and promoting what you refer to as "a joke"?

Explain this.

There are three possible known theorys of how we got here. Nothing to do with evolution, but how we got here. We were sent by aliens or maybe were little bits of things riding on the backs of crystals. That is what science has come up with. The third, and only sensible possibility is that we were created. Science can't accept that.

So they have to believe in evolution until someone with a little bit more imagination and individuality comes along and blows your bullshit monkey story directly up your ignorant arrogant well deserving ass, don't you think, buddy?

Thats the way I see it.

[Edwardo Piet]

Exactly what I've been asking him to do for ages. The difference between us talking about Evolution and fundies talking about Christianity is that we have a rapidly increasing pile of evidence to back up our claims, and fundies only have one piece of evidence that has been disproved and discredited by reason more times that anyone can imagine.

Indeed. I just found him saying it explicitly. I've probably saw him say it before but this time I decided to seize on it myself too. I saw an explicit claim. That he knows that we are as zealous as the most zealous Xians and we should simply trust him on this. He certainly should either back that up or retreat. Or apoligise

[Daystar]

Purple Rabbit, you said something to the effect of 'Blah, blah, blah ... ' and I am going to go ahead and wait for you to have a valid criticism of the infallible word of God before I waste my time responding to your absolute nonsense, okay?

C'mon, you can do it. Google it or whatever it is you people do to sort of validate your ignorant atheist position.

[Edwardo Piet]

You haven't given any proof that the word of God IS infallible. Thats the point. At least as far as I'm concerned. So don't say that we need to give valid criticism of 'the word of God' if there's no reason to believe its true anyway. You must prove it before we can disprove it. You must give evidence OF it because we can give evidence AGAINST it. The fact there's no evidence OF it and NO reason to believe it. Is all we need to disbelieve it, at least as far as I'm concerned.

[Purple Rabbit]

Purple Rabbit, you said something to the effect of 'Blah, blah, blah ... ' and I am going to go ahead and wait for you to have a valid criticism of the infallible word of God before I waste my time responding to your absolute nonsense, okay?

C'mon, you can do it. Google it or whatever it is you people do to sort of validate your ignorant atheist position.

Just look in the 'What is a god?' thread at post #127. The point is that it is YOUR claim about the bible being the infallible word of god. There is no god participating on this forum.

And please, feel free to ignore every argument that doesn't make perfect sense to your religion, dogma is what religion is about and in most countries it's perfectly legal.

[Daystar]

Evolution is that something thats happening all the time. Every time a children is born and every generation of diffrent insects are created. It´s a process that have been happening since the day the earth was born.

Different insects are created? You guys really don't have a clue, do you?! I am well aware that both mutations and the fossil record is completely against the theory of evolution and so new science has to keep creating or evolving theories that make it seem real and as time has progressed those theories have tried to incorporate 'reality' or creation in their nonsense, but us more sensible people aint buying it. Most of us don't buy it, get over it!

Thats why we have genes to pass on to our children, that get the best genes from us and they give there best to their cildren and so on. Humans, animals and everything else is constantly improving.

Oh, yes! We can see it! Now it all makes perfect sense. Evolution isn't evolution at all! It is the hope of the perfect race we have all been waiting so long for - why! It is everyday stuff. How does it know that blond hair and blue eyes are the best?! Because its evolution, stupid!

A very obvious example to how this work is to just look at numerous types of virus and bacteria.

Here we go again ....

They are constnatly adepting to our medecine so they finnaly get imune. Thats why you shouldnt take to much medication when you have cold or something else becuase finnally after many generations will the bacteria adabt to that and you will have to take more and more pencelin, or other medication, to get rid of the decise until the medication doesnt work.

[cough] So, er ... evolution is not only not monkies changing into people and not people changing into, oh I don't know - robots or something - but it now is viruses not changing into something as well? Big surprise. It, uh . . . it isn't really working for you guys is it?

The Bible says ... now listen to me ... the Bible says that everything was created according to its own kind. In order to prove that wrong you have to show something becoming something else. It has never happened and there is no evidence at all that it ever did happen.

So daydream all you want if you must creat a distraction to keep you from accepting the responsibility! The [voice breaks] reality of God's great creation.

Thank you very much! [bows to thousands of cheering realists]

For just more hundreds years of go did people die of a simple cold or fever.

Huh?

But we to have adbeted ourself to this and become more and more resistant to other types of decises and virus.

But not evolved into something else.

But instead have more dangerous viruses spread like AIDS and other lethal viruses, that our bodies havent adebted to.

That may be called evolution, but it isn't according to the Bible. You see? It hasn't become another kind? How come none of you have brought up the nylon eating thing yet? Are you slow?

Thats why scitentist and doctors are very careful to treat deiffrent types of virus to not make it stronger, just ebcause they are evolving alot faster then humans.

Not evolving as such, but changing.

Something that takes hundreds of years for us, maybe more , and many generation just takes some few year- depending on the virus of course.

Oh, of course. Well it knows it has to. Somehow it knows. It isn't just a case of viruses that survive surviving and being more potent and the others not ... it is EVOLUTION!

For example, if we started spraying insects - okay - created insects with posion and most of them died, but others didn't because they were immune to the posion that would be EVOLUTION! No! That would be an unforseen advantage which resulted in most bugs being killed by poison while the rest survived and of course thrived with all the competition gone but it isn't evolution because they didn't become another KIND!

Evolution is just a lame way for science to explain what is going on and fucking it up for the most part.

There alot traces in hour on body and other that show how much diffrent animals have evoloved.

Here we go agian . . . more invisible evidence of nothing but what we can guess.

We have for an istant the Cecum, that have no use for us anylonger but probably have some use for our ancestor 10 000 of years go. probably to digest raw meat better.

Or maybe some extraterrestrial lifeform communicating device or maybe an underwater breating apperatus. Who knows really? Maybe its just a Cecum and we just don't YET know what it does. That sort of thing happens all the time. You don't have to start making shit up every time, ya' know?! [laughs]

Our mucous membrane does eaasily get irrteated by useal tap water if try to rinse the inside of your nose with it. But saltwater are something that doesnt irritertate and you can hardly feel it. Also you can look underwater more easily if you are in saltwater too. Why? Beacuse a very longtime ago where we a water living creature, far from human but still have that passed on.

Of course, it is all so obvious now! It was an underwater breating apperatus. [looks at watch] Uh. I gotta go.

The giant blue whale have hip bones, which is not useful for a water living creature. but it shows that it have been a land living creature that for some reason crawled back to the sea, probably because it was easier for that species to get food there.

Uh ... yeah ... probably. [leaves]

[Edwardo Piet]

Google it or whatever it is you people do to sort of validate your ignorant atheist position.

Hey, the internet has evidence on it. Sources. The bible just claims to be self evident. How is it self-evident of its truth? Because it says so IN IT.
"The bible is true. How do we know this? Because the bible says so."
Circular reasoning. Its pathetic. There's no evidence.

[Kyuuketsuki]

And that alone makes you a Fundy ... I mean let's get real here.

The scientific community accepts evolution, there are a few (very few) who don't but no relevant scientist or group doubts evolution, not one. Evolution, as a scientific theory, is now no more doubted than the theory that the Earth goes round the sun or that things fall towards the strongest attracting gravitational field ... no scientist works any longer on whether evolution occurs but on the mechanisms by which it proceeds.

So? For hundreds of years they accepted Newton's theory of gravity as scientific theory beyond a doubt. Big fucking deal, that is the nature of scientific theory. Someone guesses and until someone with any real sense comes along all the idiots accept it. You know that!

Someone guesses and we all believe it? Scientific theories are guesses? Not trying to be funny here but you're talking complete and utter bollocks!!! Newton's theory of gravity made perfect sense until it was understood it didn't quite work ... today, in most normal circumstances, it is still, like the rest of Newtonian physics, entirely applicable.

So you disagree, you say it's a joke ... but what you are really saying is that 99% of the scientific community (and 100% of all relevant experts) are either so stupid they have been fooled by this evolution nonsense or they are engaged in a global conspiracy. If there is any other option I am not aware of it ... so which is Daystar? How do you explain how virtually the entire scientific community, arguably the most advanced thinkers on this planet, have been fooled into believing and promoting what you refer to as "a joke"? Explain this.

There are three possible known theorys of how we got here. Nothing to do with evolution, but how we got here. We were sent by aliens or maybe were little bits of things riding on the backs of crystals. That is what science has come up with. The third, and only sensible possibility is that we were created. Science can't accept that.

So they have to believe in evolution until someone with a little bit more imagination and individuality comes along and blows your bullshit monkey story directly up your ignorant arrogant well deserving ass, don't you think, buddy?

Thats the way I see it.

You DID NOT answer the question! Please explain to me, to all of us, why a group of people (scientists) generally accepted as particularly able in terms of explaining how things are wrong on the theory of evolution ... the only possibilities, as far as I can tell, are that the scientific community (and 100% of all relevant experts) are so stupid they have been fooled by this evolution nonsense or they are engaged in a global conspiracy. As I said, if there is any other option, I am not aware of it ... so which is it?

Is the scientific community which you, each and every single day of your life, derive a huge number of benefits from completely and totally stupid, idiots of the nth degree or are these same people (who most view as good, vocational, well intentioned individuals) engaged in a global conspiracy of immense proportions?

If evolution is, as you say, a joke then there MUST be a reason so please, stop bullshitting, explain it!

Kyu