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RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 12, 2015 at 2:09 pm
(March 12, 2015 at 2:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: (March 12, 2015 at 1:00 pm)KevinM1 Wrote: For something to be considered evidence, it must be evident to others, not just yourself. So, no, you don't have evidence.
Why are you repeating what I said, except I do have evidence. Science has presented evidence before that was disregarded by others.
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That doesn't even make sense. You are not addressing what constitutes evidence.
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RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 12, 2015 at 2:13 pm
(March 12, 2015 at 1:28 pm)robvalue Wrote: If "personal evidence" should be considered enough for someone to believe you, then we'd all have to believe anything anyone ever told us.
See the flaw in that system?
I didn't say that, why do you and the rest a have a hard time understanding things. I said the evidence is for me and if you want the same evidence you'll have to make changes and find it yourselves. You can't prove I do not have such evidence, but you'll disregard it at the toss of a hat. You have no interest in finding out what the Christians here know, blinding yourselves allows you to stay safe in your non-belief.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 12, 2015 at 2:25 pm
I'll take "Deluded" for $500, Alex.
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RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 12, 2015 at 3:13 pm
(March 12, 2015 at 2:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: (March 12, 2015 at 1:28 pm)robvalue Wrote: If "personal evidence" should be considered enough for someone to believe you, then we'd all have to believe anything anyone ever told us.
See the flaw in that system?
I didn't say that, why do you and the rest a have a hard time understanding things. I said the evidence is for me and if you want the same evidence you'll have to make changes and find it yourselves. You can't prove I do not have such evidence, but you'll disregard it at the toss of a hat. You have no interest in finding out what the Christians here know, blinding yourselves allows you to stay safe in your non-belief.
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The burden is on you to provide evidence to the contary that "God", exists. There is a great deal of difference between Richard Dawkins stating that "we cannot prove he doesn't exist", and the bible stating God does indeed exist. As far as the bible is concerned, it is an affirmation, whereas from Dawkins, it is speculative. Either way, you have to prove rather than the other way around.
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RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 12, 2015 at 3:17 pm
(This post was last modified: March 12, 2015 at 4:55 pm by robvalue.)
I can't prove you don't have evidence, no. But that's not the way claims work. I don't need to go around proving every negative in the universe before I can move on to what is tangible and supported.
You claim to be certain your god exists. The fact that you think you are infallible about what you think you know and can't be mistaken or deceived shows that it's not possible to have meaningful discussion.
A million people all giving me personal evidence amounts to nothing. It doesn't matter what you think you know, it matters what you can demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt.
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RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 12, 2015 at 3:25 pm
Those scientists in Utah working on Cold Fusion had "personal evidence" too.
Too bad, when it became everybody's evidence, the truth came out.
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RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 12, 2015 at 3:32 pm
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(March 11, 2015 at 11:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: I haven't what you consider evidence, but I have personal evidence and you can't prove I do not. What I consider evidence? Nah, more like what every rational person considers evidence. I wouldn't dream of trying to prove a negative. Not my job.
(March 11, 2015 at 11:33 pm)Godschild Wrote: As far as knowing God is real well that is all I need, the burden is upon you to find out He's real. Glad you've got all you need. Too bad it falls so far short of reality. No, the burden is not on me to go find gawd. That's your claim so the burden remains with you no matter how you try to shift it.
(March 12, 2015 at 1:03 am)Godschild Wrote: Christians are taught in the scriptures of God we are not required to prove God
Of course they are.
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RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 12, 2015 at 3:44 pm
(March 12, 2015 at 2:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: (March 12, 2015 at 1:28 pm)robvalue Wrote: If "personal evidence" should be considered enough for someone to believe you, then we'd all have to believe anything anyone ever told us.
See the flaw in that system?
I didn't say that, why do you and the rest a have a hard time understanding things. I said the evidence is for me and if you want the same evidence you'll have to make changes and find it yourselves. You can't prove I do not have such evidence, but you'll disregard it at the toss of a hat. You have no interest in finding out what the Christians here know, blinding yourselves allows you to stay safe in your non-belief.
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I'm sure if you really did know God was real, you would've explained to us how one can really know God exists as an absolute fact (and not just believe God is real).
But you don't really know for a fact he exists, do you? Come on, be honest.
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RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 12, 2015 at 3:54 pm
Quote:Godschild Wrote: Christians are taught in the scriptures of God we are not required to prove God
That may be so, but Gods chosen people were also taught to kill, rape and pillage, and take whatever they wished with Gods blessings.
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RE: Is God really real or are people simply deluded?
March 12, 2015 at 4:08 pm
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