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Indiana's Govenor Signs 'Religious Freedom' Bill
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Good question - If my religion tells me that blacks are inferior and sinful, can I refuse to serve them?
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 (April 9, 2015 at 6:15 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Good question - If my religion tells me that blacks are inferior and sinful, can I refuse to serve them? You're a Mormon?  hock:
Playing Cluedo with my mum while I was at Uni: "You did WHAT? With WHO? WHERE???"
I didn't even know Mormons don't like blacks - I was just using an example - Why is sexual orientation less important than race?
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you
 (April 9, 2015 at 4:03 pm)Heywood Wrote:(April 7, 2015 at 11:54 am)Cato Wrote: Do the laws forbidding discrimination based on skin color qualify as an 'extreme circumstance'? If so, what criteria are you using to qualify skin color, but not sexual orientation? You will need to explain that statement or be seen as utterly insane.
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Science is not a subject, but a method.  RE: Indiana's Govenor Signs 'Religious Freedom' Bill
April 9, 2015 at 8:47 pm
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2015 at 9:24 pm by Heywood.)
(April 9, 2015 at 6:09 pm)Cato Wrote:(April 9, 2015 at 4:03 pm)Heywood Wrote: The necessity for anti-discrimination laws forbidding discrimination based on color of skin was a result of government interference. Government created the problem by curtailing the individual freedom of people of color....but that is the topic of another thread. You sir.....are a chuckleheaded ninny muggins. (April 9, 2015 at 6:15 pm)Dystopia Wrote: Good question - If my religion tells me that blacks are inferior and sinful, can I refuse to serve them? Unless you are an employee fulfilling conditions of employment you should be free to serve who ever you want and be free to refuse service to those you do not want to serve. You were born to be self determinate and so you should remain. (April 9, 2015 at 8:42 pm)Chas Wrote:(April 9, 2015 at 4:03 pm)Heywood Wrote: The necessity for anti-discrimination laws forbidding discrimination based on color of skin was a result of government interference. Government created the problem by curtailing the individual freedom of people of color....but that is the topic of another thread. After the civil war you had a situation where you had a black population who knew how to work very hard, were productive, intelligent, and therefore could have easily moved up the economic ladder. They were doing it. Of course certain societal elements didn't like that so they passed laws which restricted peoples freedoms specifically the freedom of the black population. Jim Crow laws, minimum wage laws designed to cheap black labor out of the market, etc. Had blacks been given all the freedoms due to them as human beings, we wouldn't have needed the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Discrimination would have been punished economically. Blacks would have integrated into society and old stereo types would have faded away. It wasn't slavery that destroyed black society and kept in the ghetto. It was the force of government. (April 9, 2015 at 8:47 pm)Heywood Wrote: After the civil war you had a situation where you had a black population who knew how to work very hard, were productive, intelligent, and therefore could have easily moved up the economic ladder. They were doing it. Of course certain societal elements didn't like that so they passed laws which restricted peoples freedoms specifically the freedom of the black population. Jim Crow laws, minimum wage laws designed to cheap black labor out of the market, etc. Are you serious? Those laws were passed by the whites in power. Those laws are exactly what you are promoting: institutionalized discrimination. You want the Christians in power to pass laws allowing for institutionalized discrimination.
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Science is not a subject, but a method.  RE: Indiana's Govenor Signs 'Religious Freedom' Bill
April 9, 2015 at 10:16 pm
(This post was last modified: April 9, 2015 at 11:04 pm by SteelCurtain.)
(April 9, 2015 at 10:09 pm)Chas Wrote:(April 9, 2015 at 8:47 pm)Heywood Wrote: After the civil war you had a situation where you had a black population who knew how to work very hard, were productive, intelligent, and therefore could have easily moved up the economic ladder. They were doing it. Of course certain societal elements didn't like that so they passed laws which restricted peoples freedoms specifically the freedom of the black population. Jim Crow laws, minimum wage laws designed to cheap black labor out of the market, etc. But what you're not getting, Cato, is that in 60 years, we'll pass laws outlawing this "force of government" that disenfranchises gays and pretend it was government, not the majority in power, that made it happen in the first place.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<--- (April 9, 2015 at 10:09 pm)Chas Wrote:(April 9, 2015 at 8:47 pm)Heywood Wrote: After the civil war you had a situation where you had a black population who knew how to work very hard, were productive, intelligent, and therefore could have easily moved up the economic ladder. They were doing it. Of course certain societal elements didn't like that so they passed laws which restricted peoples freedoms specifically the freedom of the black population. Jim Crow laws, minimum wage laws designed to cheap black labor out of the market, etc. It was passing of laws that stripped blacks from having any political power and made discrimination free from economic consequences that institutionalized it. Take away the Jim Crow laws and take away the minimum wage laws designed to price cheap black labor out the market and the world would have been a much better place. Blacks would be on par or surpassing whites today. They wouldn't be relegated to the ghetto. It was stripping people of there rights and ability to be self determinant that created the mess....and somehow you think stripping people of their rights and ability to be self determinant is going to make it better? (April 9, 2015 at 10:45 pm)Heywood Wrote:(April 9, 2015 at 10:09 pm)Chas Wrote: Are you serious? Those laws were passed by the whites in power. Those laws are exactly what you are promoting: institutionalized discrimination. Do you seriously think that government is some autonomous machine without anyone at the helm? Who do you think passed those laws? Are you seriously equating Christians---the overwhelming majority---with blacks in the South, the disenfranchised minority? I'm done here. This thread has simply devolved into you getting your troll rocks off.
"There remain four irreducible objections to religious faith: that it wholly misrepresents the origins of man and the cosmos, that because of this original error it manages to combine the maximum servility with the maximum of solipsism, that it is both the result and the cause of dangerous sexual repression, and that it is ultimately grounded on wish-thinking." ~Christopher Hitchens, god is not Great
PM me your email address to join the Slack chat! I'll give you a taco(or five) if you join! --->There's an app and everything!<--- (April 9, 2015 at 11:08 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Do you seriously think that government is some autonomous machine without anyone at the helm? Who do you think passed those laws? Its is difficult to have an argument with you if you can't even follow along. Nobody is equating Christians with blacks. People are equating gays with blacks. People are equating the discrimination against gays and saying it is equivalent to the discrimination against blacks. It isn't. You could reasonably argue that the civil rights act of 1964 was needed because at the time the market wasn't serving blacks. You can not credibly make that argument about gays. Gays have little difficulty finding other people willing to exchange goods and services with them. |
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