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Ultimate revelations of God.
#31
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
(April 10, 2010 at 8:13 pm)Synackaon Wrote:
(April 10, 2010 at 7:14 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote: ChatPilot: Even if God were solely a figment of someone's imagination, isn't that subjective reality still that person's reality? And if so, doesn't that make that as real as anything else that could be agreed upon.

No - it isn't. Reality is what is after you've closed and opened your eyes, trying to wish things away. How you want to perceive things is also limited in it's subjectivity, as when you injure yourself, the pain you get is your body telling you how things are, not what you'd choose to see.

Reality intrudes.
I don't mean that belief itself creates reality, but that a person's belief is a person's reality.
In another way, some people don't feel pain, others enjoy it, it depends on interpretation of what is to how a person views things. Kinda like a glass half full, or half empty approach.

(April 10, 2010 at 8:19 pm)chatpilot Wrote: TruthWorthy Wrote: " ChatPilot: Even if God were solely a figment of someone's imagination, isn't that subjective reality still that person's reality? And if so, doesn't that make that as real as anything else that could be agreed upon."

In my opinion reality is exactly like objectivity it is true whether you believe it or not. Here is a good definition of objectivity that is relative to this post from wikipedia.

'While there is no universally accepted articulation of objectivity, a proposition is generally considered to be objectively true when its truth conditions are "mind-independent"—that is, not the result of any judgments made by a conscious entity. '
Yes, agreed. The mind doesn't change reality itself. Social rules can be different among believers, for instance. So that what's considered good in one group, isn't in another. In another way, I find God, then I decide He isn't there, then I find Him again, and so on. I find it's easier to argue that He doesn't exist and reasoning could lend itself to atheism more easily than theism.


I posted on AF as an atheist in the thread 'intelligence in emotion'. I honestly don't think that all of life consists of cold hard facts, or that cold hard facts are all that's intelligent.
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#32
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
Almost not even worth a reply but what you feel is real does not make it real, especially if your reality is clouded by years of indoctrination.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

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#33
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
I tend to trust my instincts at times. Why would I ignore those? For instance, I'm picking up too much speed on a hill, I get the urge to bail out, just dumb feelings?
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#34
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
If you are going downhill of course you are going to speed up you don't need god for that. Your reaction of bailing out is called your survival instinct which is related to your preservation of self.
There is nothing people will not maintain when they are slaves to superstition

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#35
RE: Ultimate revelations of God.
(March 27, 2010 at 8:23 pm)tackattack Wrote: I don'tthink atheist believe in subjective truth... Everyhting must be visible to all equally or have 0 value... I think that about sums up the contention between atheists and thesist.. along with a few notes on evidence and uses of faith.

Subjective truth?

What as in "Well, it's true to me?" ??? Something is either true or not whether we're agnostic about it or not, whether we can truly absolutely know it or not (as I believe we can't, I'm agnostic).

Sounds rather suspiciously like 'Truthiness' to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness

EvF
(April 9, 2010 at 8:36 pm)TruthWorthy Wrote: I'm a little bit thrown here EvF. Firstly, my emotions could already be in my head, along with my thoughts (where by the way, thoughts actually stem from).

Are you taking the piss? I was speaking metaphorically obviously. I am saying you aren't trusting your head as in your rationality. You instead are following your 'Gut' or 'heart' as in irrational emotions.

Quote:Yes, I've taken up Catholicism
And the way I see it, it's just one more person who's on the side of an insane ideology.

Quote:; no, I don't claim it as the one true path to God that is the sole and only way to God.
Well, on the one hand: That's good for obvious reasons. On the other hand, for less obvious reasons, that's bad because you're so vague you can't even ATTEMPT to argue your own position and it's excruciatingly annoying and a tad depressing to me, with this "anything goes" attitude of yours. Diplomatic bullshit. At least if you thought your way was the right way objectively speaking, then we could have a proper argument... at least then you'd choose a side. It would be slightly less annoying.

Quote: I say that all views are valid - this one is valid to me.
To say all views are valid is like saying no views are valid. Because if no view is to be valued objectively over another then there is no objective truth and no reason to stray away from deluded crap ideologies such as, Catholism. When it comes to rationality I do indeed discriminate and say some views are more valid than others. Evidence is valid when it comes to truth, faith is certainly not.

Quote:You want to see my evidence?
My bet is that you don't fucking have any but it's possible (barely I guess) I could be wrong and you can try if you like.

Quote: I like you EvF[, you're always alluding to the truth in what can be seen, heard, etc.
It's sad that that alone is enough a reason to like me. Desiring the truth should be a commonplace character trait in my mind, not a fucking quirk.

Quote:You can't have any, we all know that.
And do you know that to knowingly believe without valid evidence is delusional?

Quote:Also, as a consequence of all the times you play on the evidence as an argument against faith;
Because faith is belief that lacks evidence. And lacking evidence and believing is delusional (delusional in the sense of, false belief at the very least).

Quote: I have a suggested name change for you: "Experience vs. Faith";
No because that's retarded. Personal experience is (almost) certainly not evidence for God.

Quote:at the end of every arguement on faith comes the on based on experience (apparently).
Well, in my experience I have come to prefer the truth to lies. Your username is truthworthy but you behave as if you prefer a placebo. Evidence is the only practical way to truth. So I choose evidence over faith (faith being, the retarded act in believing without evidence).

Quote:Unfortunately, the only way I can share my experience with you is through language, I can literally present it as a concrete object for you.

I don't want a share of your BS... the way I see it it's you, not me, who's the one missing out here buddy.

EvF
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