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Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
#41
RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
Thanks again Min,fascinating stuff.


Reading Godschild's posts reminded me of something my grandmother told me, I have no idea why. Angel Cloud -------One of life's rich experiences is being patronised by the ignorant and stupid.


IF you MUST argue with an apologist ,better not to use facts,it just confuses them and they get all huffy.
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#42
RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
You're welcome, Pad and don't worry about the idiot. He actually serves a purpose as a "straight man." Since he has fallen for this nonsense of trying to show that Luke and Matthew do not contradict each other it gives me the opportunity to post Richard Carrier's fine essay on "The Date of The Nativity in Luke."

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/r...inius.html


Ever since Xtians lost the ability to burn people at the stake who dared to point out the contradictions in their "holey (pun intended) books" they have been twisting their scrotums into knots trying to get around this most obvious contradiction going. As shitwit is trying to do they have suggested all sorts of things...from changing the date of Herod's death to Quirinius having been governor of Syria twice to "Matthew" meaning Herod Archelaus not Herod the Great to Quirinius "sharing power" with another governor, etc. etc. Some have even suggested, (you have to admire the irony in this one) that Luke, who otherwise is as inerrant as all the gospel liars actually made a mistake and meant someone else aside from Quirinius! But, of course, he is still inerrant which is a little like saying that Bush kept us safe from terrorism except for that one time!


Anyway, the status of the Roman governors of Syria is known well enough. G. Sentius Saturninus from 9-6 BC, P. Qunictilius Varus from 6 to at least 3 BC, (there is a question here because Varus was busy putting down revolts which broke out on Herod's death and may have had his command extended. The Romans did not change successful commanders in the middle of a war and Varus did crush the revolts. The next governor was Gaius Caesar, Augustus' grandson and he assumed the office in 1 BC. Oddly, Quirinius did accompany him but so did a number of other officers (including Lucius Aelius Sejanus who became Imperial Prefect under Tiberius) to serve as tutors for the young man but
Gaius was the governor. Quirinius got the title himself in 6 AD and there is simply no opportunity for anyone else to have snuck in there no matter how many people try to finagle the dates. Quirinius was busy in central Turkey where, as governor of Pamphylia, he was busy putting down a revolt by some mountain tribesmen. He was far too busy to have doubled up as governor of Syria then no matter how many holy kooks try to find comets, meteors, super novae, etc. to save the fairy tales for the lunatic fringe. I also doubt that they found a "star" which bounced along the ground leading the so-called magi to Bethlehem but I have no doubt that some damn fool will claim he has and G-C will fall for that shit hook, line, and sinker, too.

Now, I grant you, such shenanigans are enough to fool the 'dead-jew-on-a-stick' crowd as our resident shitwit proves every day. But astronomy/astrology/nuclear physics is not going to save his gospels from the fact that these two directly contradict each other.

Anyway, I highly recommend Carrier's essay.
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#43
RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
(April 5, 2010 at 11:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: Tiberius Star of Bethlehem.net
That isn't a link. URLs don't have space in them. I've found at least 10 sites named "Star of Bethlehem" in some way, and none of them were a .net. Type the fucking url or go away.
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#44
RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
Sorry my mistake http://www.bethlehemstar.net by RICK LARSON
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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#45
RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
And from Larson's own web site and biography we learn this:

Quote:Larson received a B.A. degree in philosophy from the University of Southern California. He graduated magna cum laude and was elected to Phi Beta Kappa, the United States' oldest honor society. He went on to receive his Juris Doctor degree from the University of Southern California Law Center, where, as an intern, he prosecuted misdemeanor and felony offenses for the Los Angeles District Attorney. He also served as a Judge on the Law Center Court.

Larson entered commercial litigation practice in Los Angeles with the "small but influential" (L.A. Times) firm of Kadison, Pfaelzer, Woodard, Quinn & Rossi. There he was involved in litigation in the fields of securities, antitrust, interstate landsales and intellectual property.


So what he is, is a lawyer who, just like you, happens to believe in fairy tales. He is a layman who desperately wants to believe in your fairy tale god and, he has a web site where other fools can come to be awed.

Big fucking deal.
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#46
RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
(April 6, 2010 at 10:26 pm)Godschild Wrote: Sorry my mistake http://www.bethlehemstar.net by RICK LARSON

Was the star of Bethlehem real? Think about it for a minute! The closest stars are many TRILLIONS of miles away. How could a star THAT FAR AWAY be seen as hanging over one particular city? It's impossibly ridiculous! Can any star in the sky be said to hang over one particular city? NO! The only way a star could hang over a particular location is if it were only a few thousand feet in the air! In which case, it could not possibly be a star! Because if it were, the radiation and heat from the thing would kill everyone for many miles. That's even assuming a star would hover over the ground and not crash into the Earth, but why bring common sense into the discussion....
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.

God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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#47
RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
@ the OP

Cos he didn't.

EvF
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#48
RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
(April 2, 2010 at 10:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: Jesus was crucified on April 3rd AD 33 and rose on April 5th AD 33.

And your source for this is....?
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.

God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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#49
RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
You kidding? It's God's child he/she is bound to know. I mean it's Jesus' bro/sis for Christ sake (lol) - or it could even be Christ himself! Oh yay.

EvF
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#50
RE: Why don't we know the date Jesus rose up from the dead?
(April 7, 2010 at 10:02 am)EvidenceVsFaith Wrote: You kidding? It's God's child he/she is bound to know. I mean it's Jesus' bro/sis for Christ sake (lol) - or it could even be Christ himself! Oh yay.

EvF

It always cracks me up when the faithful claim to "know" things that are impossible to know for a fact. They "know" god exists! They "know" he performs miracles! They "know" heaven and hell are real places! And then you get twits who look at real, tangible evidence and ignore it because they "know" the Earth is only 6,000 years old!

Why are these people allowed to breed?
Science flies us to the moon and stars. Religion flies us into buildings.

God allowed 200,000 people to die in an earthquake. So what makes you think he cares about YOUR problems?
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