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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 1, 2015 at 12:59 pm
(May 1, 2015 at 12:16 pm)Lek Wrote: (May 1, 2015 at 11:57 am)Chas Wrote: Excellent. So blood transfusions are fine and gays are fabulous? And masturbation, too? Great.
I didn't say we don't have a moral code. I just said we're not under the old testament law. Many gays are fine people, by the way. I don't hate people because I disagree with their morality.
Where did that morality come from? Jesus never said one blessed thing against homosexuality. Or blood transfusions. Or masturbation.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 1, 2015 at 1:25 pm
(May 1, 2015 at 11:53 am)Lek Wrote: (April 30, 2015 at 10:02 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: The words of Jesus himself, according to Matthew 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Yes. Jesus did fulfill the law. Nothing from the law passed away until he fulfilled it. The law has now been fulfilled.
Romans 7:6English Standard Version (ESV)
6 But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.
How can you say that all has been fulfilled? Has Jesus fulfilled the prophesy of the second coming? Is it all done, and we are now with God, or in hell? And has heaven and earth passed away yet? Do you just ignore those bits? Why did Jesus mention heaven and earth passing? Was he just joking, and not to be taken seriously in what he stated?
"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 2, 2015 at 10:13 am
(May 1, 2015 at 12:21 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: Would you say that the Old Testament provides a good moral code, then?
The moral principles were good, but the penalties are no longer appropriate.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 2, 2015 at 10:19 am
God was too harsh before, so he changed?
He learned something?
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 2, 2015 at 10:25 am
(May 1, 2015 at 12:59 pm)Chas Wrote: Where did that morality come from? Jesus never said one blessed thing against homosexuality. Or blood transfusions. Or masturbation.
I don't think he said anything against blood transfusions. They had no idea what a blood transfusion is. His words concerning homosexuality and masturbation are not recorded in the bible, but Paul's writings clearly spoke spoke against homosexual relations. The gospels don't record everything Jesus said. Masturbation is not specifically addressed, but is normally placed under sexual immorality and lust. I think circumstances can have an effect on it's morality.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 2, 2015 at 12:00 pm
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If God gets upset by masturbation so much, he should stop watching people do it. Hasnt he got anything better to do? Really man.
It really puts me off as well. Creepy old man peering through my window.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 2, 2015 at 12:54 pm
(April 25, 2015 at 11:53 pm)ObliviousCat Wrote: What is your evidence or what is your reason for believing what you believe in?
The Bible. Pure and simple.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 2, 2015 at 1:30 pm
(May 2, 2015 at 12:00 pm)robvalue Wrote: If God gets upset by masturbation so much, he should stop watching people do it. Hasnt he got anything better to do? Really man.
It really puts me off as well. Creepy old man peering through my window.
Close your blinds man.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 2, 2015 at 4:23 pm
(May 2, 2015 at 12:54 pm)Theoretical Skeptic Wrote: The Bible. Pure and simple.
What in the Bible? The impossible creation stories (both of them). The parts where god orders the Hebrews to commit genocide. God's decision to kill a bunch of Egyptian babies. The phrophets telling everyone that famine, and invasion are because they didn't pray to the right god? How about the parts where it describes historically impossible events like the census the year Jesus was born? Or where Joshua tells all about the conquering of the promised land with god's divine help and then in the next few books it's conquered all over non-miraculously? Is is it the rules about killing women for being raped and absurd dietary laws. The utter incoherence of Revelations? The forged letters of Paul? The parts were Jesus says the kingdom of god on earth would be ruled by all twelve of the disciples (including Judas)? The way each new Gospel gets more and more hostel to the Jews?
If there is a god, I want to believe that there is a god. If there is not a god, I want to believe that there is no god.
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RE: Why do you believe in God?
May 2, 2015 at 7:51 pm
(This post was last modified: May 2, 2015 at 8:05 pm by Lek.)
(May 1, 2015 at 1:25 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: How can you say that all has been fulfilled? Has Jesus fulfilled the prophesy of the second coming? Is it all done, and we are now with God, or in hell? And has heaven and earth passed away yet? Do you just ignore those bits? Why did Jesus mention heaven and earth passing? Was he just joking, and not to be taken seriously in what he stated?
I'm saying that he fulfilled the old testament law. All prophecy has not yet been fulfilled.
(May 2, 2015 at 4:23 pm)Jenny A Wrote: What in the Bible? The impossible creation stories (both of them). The parts where god orders the Hebrews to commit genocide. God's decision to kill a bunch of Egyptian babies. The phrophets telling everyone that famine, and invasion are because they didn't pray to the right god? How about the parts where it describes historically impossible events like the census the year Jesus was born? Or where Joshua tells all about the conquering of the promised land with god's divine help and then in the next few books it's conquered all over non-miraculously? Is is it the rules about killing women for being raped and absurd dietary laws. The utter incoherence of Revelations? The forged letters of Paul? The parts were Jesus says the kingdom of god on earth would be ruled by all twelve of the disciples (including Judas)? The way each new Gospel gets more and more hostel to the Jews?
If you're saying that the bible doesn't paint God as a one-dimensional cream puff, then you're correct. God is loving, but he also is just, jealous, angry and wrathful. He is also the creator and knows what's best as applies to the big picture. He is omniscient and understands the best course of action for those he created better than we do. He has also given every person he created the option to be happy for eternity. Obviously, in order to experience eternity joyfully, we first need to experience a baptism by fire because we are all touched by a world tainted by sin. By the way, what is incoherent about the Book of Revelation?
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