Epicurus riddle.

[LadyForCamus]

The physical death of a baby becomes irrelevant against the scope of eternity. God created the life, God has taken it away.

True, God does know the outcome of my life before I am even born. God still has feelings, he is not an emotionless entity. He strongly desires(hopes) that I do the right thing. He still desires it, even if he already knows the outcome.

God only allows evil for a certain ammount of time. When Christ returns there will be a new Heaven and a new Earth. There will be no more sin.

It's not irrelevant to the mother.

[Brian37]

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
God is willing and able.
Is he able, but not willing?
Yes, no.
Is he both able and willing?
Yes.
Then whence cometh evil?
Free will
Is he neither able nor willing?
No.
Then why call him God?”
Redundant question.

Opinions on this riddle?
God enables us to have free will, meaning that some will do evil and some won't. It's our choice, God is allowing us to determine our fate and he is very patient. Evil will be dealt with in his time.

So...then why bother to pray for anything if God is keeping his fat nose out of everything?  That makes no sense.  

Yep, they answer with simplistic rhetoric missing lots of other factors that play into life.

Ultimately what it amounts to, is as soon as they have bought the naked assertion, they can move the goal posts and give you any answer they want. But then forget about, ignore, or never think of the question you just asked. 

The riddle of Epicurus, isn't coming from a religious viewpoint, it is simply pointing out the errors in logic. Every single one of those answers they gave just now have huge flaws by themselves.

"God is willing and able"...... Really? 50 million deaths per year worldwide from everything you can die from?

"Is he able but not willing"...... "Yes and no"...... If a parent had three kids and was selective about which one they fed and let the other two starve, Child protective services would take away all three kids and have the parent arrested.

'He is both able and willing"........ Great, then why does the character seem to read like a selective deadbeat? If I fail to do my job at work, I get fired.

"Then whence comes evil" "Free will".....Ok so if  a 5  year old boy or girl gets raped and murdered by a child molester, this god is more concerned with the "free will" of the perp than the safety of the 5 year old? Again, would anyone hire a baby sitter to sit their kid if the baby sitter had such a arbitrary "I can do what I want" attitude?

"He is neither able or willing".....Yes because he does not exist. God claims are a product of human's imaginations reflecting their own fears and narcissism.

"Then why call him God" "Redundant question"........ Yep because believers keep making illogical claims based on naked assertions, yes we keep asking why call such a selective arbitrary deadbeat a god.

And to add to your question, "Why pray" EXACTLY, that act alone defies the alleged "trust" of this fictional boss they claim is real. Seems to be a bunch of superfluous drama to claim to have a plan, then want or need people to grovel to you after you already told them "don't worry". The real reason humans pray is they want to  placate their own insecurities and want to thank themselves for their good luck. But they are not talking to a sky wizard.

[Angrboda]

You say god doesnt exist and besides he's an asshole. Well I didn't sleep with your sister and besides she's a terrible lay.

Are you serious? First, I make no judgement as to whether the character you portray as God is an asshole. Absurd, yes; asshole, maybe. Second, this is the exact sort of nonsense I was just describing. That a fictional portrayal is judged one way or another says nothing about that person's belief or lack thereof in its actual existence.

[Brian37]

And just from an efficiency standpoint those books never talk about our current population of 7 billion humans. Back then even real scientists outside of religion had a huge problem once the numbers got past a certain level. Numbers in religious texts were used to over conflate a story or idea.

But if we are to pretend God wants us all in heaven, why would a God want or need 7 billion friends. I can count my friends on one hand, and that is all I need. If by their standards not all of us get in to heaven, then why put humans who wont get in through that torture? Why not make the few instead of making all that waste?

And what about stillborns do they go to heaven as babies? If they do, what kind of logic would a baby's mind have to comprehend either the concept of heaven or hell? And all three religions contradict themselves in the books about who gets in and why, liberals and moderates will say everyone has that opportunity(many even then, still say IF YOU PICK MY CLUB", THEN you have other stories in those books that say "No, outsiders don't get in even if they are good".... Then you have the extreme right that use other stories in the same books to say Kill em all if they don't comply".


Now this also is why both left and right of all three of these religions ignore. If god was real and perfect like they falsely believe, if that were the case, why if you can "poof" all this into existence in the blink of an eye, would you go out of you way to use fallible humans to write competing versions only to have them fight over what the right way to interpret those versions? Again, that doesn't strike me as efficient, it looks more like an episode of Jerry Springer or fake pro wrestling. Needless drama.

[Jenny A]

You say god doesnt exist and besides he's an asshole. Well I didn't sleep with your sister and besides she's a terrible lay.

A rather misleading analogy. More exactly, I don't believe you have a sister, but that painting you claim is her is ugly as sin.

[LadyForCamus]

You say god doesnt exist and besides he's an asshole. Well I didn't sleep with your sister and besides she's a terrible lay.

A rather misleading analogy. More exactly, I don't believe you have a sister, but that painting you claim is her is ugly as sin.

:: Snort:: it's late...[emoji39]

[Godscreated]

 Then you're saying it's fine with you for God to control your entire life, no freedom, no decisions, just be a puppet dancing to another's tune.

GC

My mom managed to keep a clean house without controlling every aspect of my life. Why can't your "omnipotent" gawd?!?

We're discussing evil not dirty floors. Besides like you said she had to clean up after you, you were a child now you're grow and she shouldn't have to clean up after you that's your responsibility. Evie was speaking of total prevention, not cleaning up after our mess, which by the way is what God offers through Jesus Christ, He will sweep away all of a persons mess. 
You're off on all accounts.

GC

[Godscreated]

  The Christian church is trying to help people who need clean water, it's why we were put here. What are you doing for them ?

GC

(emphasis is mine)

Only at the cost of what amounts to forced indoctrination.

Once the people receive the water then yes we will witness to them, they are not required to listen. No one is forced, how many times must we waste time explaining this simple fact to you.

GC

[Brian37]

My mom managed to keep a clean house without controlling every aspect of my life. Why can't your "omnipotent" gawd?!?

We're discussing evil not dirty floors. Besides like you said she had to clean up after you, you were a child now you're grow and she shouldn't have to clean up after you that's your responsibility. Evie was speaking of total prevention, not cleaning up after our mess, which by the way is what God offers through Jesus Christ, He will sweep away all of a persons mess. 
You're off on all accounts.

GC

Lets not sanitize this. This cosmic "mom" cleans after some, and neglects others even to the point of watching them die and does nothing.

50 million humans worldwide die from everything every year. You going to tell me none of them are babies, toddlers young kids? Please tell me what a real mom would have done to deserve their kid die or murdered? Please tell me what a kid could possibly do in their short life to deserve disease or famine or murder?

[Brian37]

You say god doesnt exist and besides he's an asshole. Well I didn't sleep with your sister and besides she's a terrible lay.

Are you serious?  First, I make no judgement as to whether the character you portray as God is an asshole.  Absurd, yes; asshole, maybe.  Second, this is the exact sort of nonsense I was just describing.  That a fictional portrayal is judged one way or another says nothing about that person's belief or lack thereof in its actual existence.

I do, why should we not judge the parameters humans assign this character they claim is real? I am dead serious. If humans behave in the same selective manor this claimed being did, "playing god", those humans who try to play god get reacted to negatively by those outside their supporters.

Again, in real life, if we find out kids are being abused or neglected, at least in the west moreso, we remove the kids when we find out and the parents get arrested. 

We should judge these claims, because bad claims can lead to justifications to harm others. It is why while you have the right to teach your kid any religion you want, you can still be arrested for harming your kids or neglecting your kids basing it on a religious superstition.

I would only agree that humans want their god/s portrayed in a good light, sure. But when it comes to comparing their claims to what we observe in reality, it still remains the logic does not match what we observe.