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I NEED logical support...
June 5, 2015 at 12:53 pm
So... I've just joined and this is my first post ever on an Atheist forum. I am an Atheist. The reason I am posting is because of an occurrence which has forced me to question my logic and I am looking for input from those who may possess a better understanding (to the degree that is possible) of these things than I do.
My grandmother was 97 years old. I had a very special bond with her, she was the relative that I inherited my intelligence from. She believed in god, but at her age, I cannot blame her for that.
She had been in poor psychical health for a long time and was in hospice for the SECOND time. Mentally, at age 97, she was 100%! She was strong proof that mental strength beats psychical strength any day. I was always convinced that she would live until she was ready to go.
Without any particular forewarning, I knew she was going to die yesterday. When she died yesterday, I knew it happened. I am serious, I am not trolling, this is not easy for me!
I struggle to understand how I could have LOGICALLY both known this was going to and did happen. I had some connection to her that was cut (or something) and I can't understand the existence of that in a logical world... 
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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 5, 2015 at 12:56 pm
Without any particular forewarning? She was in hospice. People who are in hospice die. That's what it is for.
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June 5, 2015 at 12:56 pm
Uh...
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RE: I NEED logical support...
June 5, 2015 at 1:00 pm
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I bet the hospice staff knew what was coming. They always do.
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June 5, 2015 at 1:03 pm
(June 5, 2015 at 12:56 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Without any particular forewarning? She was in hospice. People who are in hospice die. That's what it is for.
I hope I can get a better level of response than this. I am not an idiot. As I said, she was in hospice FOR THE SECOND TIME! The first time was almost two years ago. Hospice = dead within 6 months. Despite the fact that she was in hospice AGAIN, the last time I saw her, she was great. I don't have to spell out every single detail, accept the truth of what I am saying please!
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June 5, 2015 at 1:07 pm
(June 5, 2015 at 1:03 pm)rsngfrce Wrote: (June 5, 2015 at 12:56 pm)SteelCurtain Wrote: Without any particular forewarning? She was in hospice. People who are in hospice die. That's what it is for.
I hope I can get a better level of response than this. I am not an idiot. As I said, she was in hospice FOR THE SECOND TIME! The first time was almost two years ago. Hospice = dead within 6 months. Despite the fact that she was in hospice AGAIN, the last time I saw her, she was great. I don't have to spell out every single detail, accept the truth of what I am saying please!
I'm very sorry for your loss, and I'm aware of how blunt my next words might appear but..
Look, you said you're looking for "logical support" and SteelCurtain gave you his appraisal of the situation. What exactly are you looking for us to say? We're certainly not going to posit that you actually have the aiblity to predict the imminent deaths of other people.
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June 5, 2015 at 1:10 pm
Regardless of whether she was in hospice or not, the chance that a 97 year old is going to die on any particular day is probably pretty good! But that doesn't explain why I felt she was going to die yesterday and why I knew when she did. It isn't a prediction after the fact, I've always believed she wasn't going to die UNTIL yesterday.
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June 5, 2015 at 1:13 pm
And "we don't have an explanation for it" might be the most logical and honest thing to say about the situation.
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June 5, 2015 at 1:13 pm
What level of hospice care was she in? There are generally 4 levels.
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June 5, 2015 at 1:18 pm
(June 5, 2015 at 1:07 pm)FatAndFaithless Wrote: (June 5, 2015 at 1:03 pm)rsngfrce Wrote: I hope I can get a better level of response than this. I am not an idiot. As I said, she was in hospice FOR THE SECOND TIME! The first time was almost two years ago. Hospice = dead within 6 months. Despite the fact that she was in hospice AGAIN, the last time I saw her, she was great. I don't have to spell out every single detail, accept the truth of what I am saying please!
I'm very sorry for your loss, and I'm aware of how blunt my next words might appear but..
Look, you said you're looking for "logical support" and SteelCurtain gave you his appraisal of the situation. What exactly are you looking for us to say? We're certainly not going to posit that you actually have the aiblity to predict the imminent deaths of other people.
No, it is NOT logical that I can predict the imminent death of other people. MY PROBLEM is that I feel that is what I did (and I stress, not "other people", but a special person). However, I have more problem personally with the fact that I KNEW that it happened. I know I cannot come here and convince you of this. I AM STRUGGLING WITH THIS MYSELF! It makes NO logical sense to me, but it happened...
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