Proving The Resurrection By the Minimal Facts Approach

[Randy Carson]

There are five facts.

Five claims. You don't get the difference between fact and claim. So I call you ignorant and that's playing it nice.

Five claims. You don't get the difference between fact and claim. So I call you ignorant and that's playing it nice.

He'll likely never understand the difference.

I have Professional. Scholars.

You have bupkus.

[Cato]

I have Professional. Scholars.

I already handed you your ass on that one.

[Spooky]

Lol, ok. BRB

[abaris]

I have Professional. Scholars.

You have bupkus.

Oh, puke.

You know that facts are considered undisputed? Do you know that? So what's undisputed about what you posted? 100 percent undisputed peer reviewed truth. And I don't mean theological peer reviews, but scientific ones.

This is getting tiresome, so come on, let's have some fun. Refute Bugs Bunny taking a shit on my front lawn. Try it. With undisputed facts, since I claim it to be the truth and nothing but the truth.

[Spooky]

The Minimal Facts are:

1. Jesus died by crucifixion
2. Jesus' disciples believed that He rose and appeared to them
3. Saul, the persecutor of the Church, was suddenly changed
4. James, the skeptical brother of Jesus, was suddenly changed
5. Jesus' tomb was found to be empty

In subsequent posts, I will present the evidence in support of each of these facts.

OK. Let's assume these are indeed facts. 

1. Nothing to do with resurrection.
2. The fact they believed doesn't prove it happened.
3. Doesn't prove resurrection.
4. Ditto.
5. Ditto.

...

[abaris]

1. Jesus died by crucifixion
2. Jesus' disciples believed that He rose and appeared to them
3. Saul, the persecutor of the Church, was suddenly changed
4. James, the skeptical brother of Jesus, was suddenly changed
5. Jesus' tomb was found to be empty

1) Unsupported claim. Maybe, maybe not. Not a fact.
2) Claim. What we do know is, his later followers believed that it's true. We don't even know if the disciples existed. Not a fact.
3) Or was he? Again claim. Not a fact.
4) Since the historicity of Jesus is up for debate, his brother's existence falls even more into the same category. So, claim. Not a fact.
5) Assuming he existed, assuming he even had a tomb, given the historical reality of criminals being left to rot on the cross. So, claim. Not a fact.

Quoting myself here, since our genius isn't even able to read his own thread properly. Posted on june 25th and ultimately what I have to say about his "facts".

[Minimalist]

It seems that John Cleese has met Randy.

A pity that you don't spend more time examining your conscience and preparing for confession, Min.

You can be reconciled to the Church before it's too late.

Fuck the church.

And you, too.

[Spooky]

[Wyrd of Gawd]

Hearsay proving hearsay. Good job, Randy. You still have absolutely no clue what history and evidence actually means. And yo have even less of a clue how the writers of old worked. But again, that's not surprising, since the only thing you have proven to us is your absolute ignorance on every topic not being bible.

You have nothing and the longer you go on, the more apparent it becomes that you will not because you cannot refute these five facts.

What evidence do you have that might indicate that the Josephus character existed as depicted?  We know that no character existed by that name since "J" words didn't exist before the 1600s.

[Easy Guns]

Hearsay proving hearsay. Good job, Randy. You still have absolutely no clue what history and evidence actually means. And yo have even less of a clue how the writers of old worked. But again, that's not surprising, since the only thing you have proven to us is your absolute ignorance on every topic not being bible.

You have nothing and the longer you go on, the more apparent it becomes that you will not because you cannot refute these five facts.

Oh fucking shit Randy.

IT DOESNT MATTER. NOBODY NEEDS TO DISPROVE YOUR FACTS.

Even IF they're all true, that doesn't prove that anyone was resurrected.

What in the fuck don't you understand about that? Someone believing it happened and writing about it isn't fucking proof.

Your "minimal facts approach" FAILED. Get over it and move on already.

Fucking hell.