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RE: What do the theists here think about masturbation and porn?
July 13, 2015 at 11:25 am
You people... you're a bunch of wankers!
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RE: What do the theists here think about masturbation and porn?
July 13, 2015 at 11:27 am
(July 13, 2015 at 11:25 am)pocaracas Wrote: You people... you're a bunch of wankers!
May be. But those who made World Of Wanks are worse than us. 
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RE: What do the theists here think about masturbation and porn?
July 13, 2015 at 11:29 am
(July 13, 2015 at 10:59 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 13, 2015 at 8:41 am)robvalue Wrote: I'm not sure if I'm off the hook with my vasectomy.
The only thing I regret about it is not having it done sooner. You'd have to kidnap me to get it reversed.
So I wonder if I'm collecting black marks? Not that it matters, god would have run out of paper with me long ago for things which hurt no one at all but apparently displease him.
As Catholics, we believe that each person is judged individually. Just because you had a vasectomy, for example, doesn't automatically pin you as a person with a black mark. You are not Catholic, and you did not know about (and do not believe anyway) about these teachings on vasectomy.
A much higher standard is placed on those who actually know/believe, but choose to do it anyway. (of course, if this is an extreme situation, like a man's wife will die if she get's pregnant again and he feels he must do it to avoid killing her, that is also taken into account and will greatly decrease, if not completely eliminate, his culpability.)
Point is, we don't believe God paints with a broad brush on judgement day, but rather considers each individual's unique situation and what was in their hearts at the time.
(July 13, 2015 at 9:06 am)whateverist Wrote: Well way to make me feel like a horse's ass. But back at you.
Didn't mean to make you feel that way. You are trying to help and you mean well. I just wanted you to know I appreciate that.
And thanks!
(July 13, 2015 at 9:18 am)Redbeard The Pink Wrote: I know, right?! This woman is like the anti-Randy. She's polite and positive pretty much no matter what, and she will invariably listen to what others have to say. Religious people can be genuinely decent, and some of them even seem to have a knack for being nice in situations where other people just aren't. It's nice to be reminded of that every once in a while.
While I disagree with your assertions of Randy, lol, I do appreciate the compliments.
I think most people of my faith are like this. I'm nothing special. The reason you never hear much from us is because we are not the type of people to start talking to atheists about our faith unprovoked (obviously lol). And of course, naturally most of us are not the type of people who go around seeking discussions with atheists on internet forums lol.
(July 13, 2015 at 9:26 am)QuarkDriven Wrote: That is normal but regular masturbation is not? What about animals that masturbate? Is that immoral or not normal? Masturbation is ubiquitus in the animal kingdom, and most definitely among primates 
I don't know what you mean by normal, but if you are meaning to ask if we believe "regular" is immoral and touching oneself during foreplay to sex with your spouse is moral, the answer would be yes. In previous pages I explain how we believe sexuality is to be used in the sacred context of marital intercourse. Whatever type of foreplay is in that context, assuming its consensual and done for each other's best interest, is moral.
There is no such thing as animals acting morally vs immorally. They're animals.
I have a thread on here where people have posted videos of animals and what they would do in certain situations... In certain cases, monkeys (and I'm sure other animals) have shown what we call morality..compassion... they may not know what it is, but they exhibit it...
It's really quite beautiful to see animals behaving in a way that we would, even though "they're just animals"
http://atheistforums.org/thread-34080.html
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RE: What do the theists here think about masturbation and porn?
July 13, 2015 at 11:38 am
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2015 at 11:38 am by robvalue.)
Oh you bet, animals certainly do have a sense of "fairness". It makes total sense that they would, many have evolved as social species. It just gets more sophisticated as the capacity for deep thought increases in such species. We're at the end of the spectrum, morality didn't pop up out of nowhere at a certain evolutionary point. These things all gradually develop over time.
Regarding having my sack hacked, I think it's nice CL that you feel god won't judge me harshly for that. It's certainly a more healthy attitude than the more rigid "You're fucked now" that we get from some theists. I've always said that if god is good, he will respect my choices. I did it because I don't want children, and I have all manner of reasons not to. Some of them are personal, and some are moral.
I think we do get a skewed representation of theists on here in general. For some reason we seem to attract the more fundamental and judgemental ones who have no problem expressing their glee at our eventual torture. Empty vessels make the most noise. It would be great to have more like yourself who actually want to get to know us, and don't need to just shout "you're wrong!" every five minutes.
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July 13, 2015 at 11:48 am
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2015 at 11:53 am by Catholic_Lady.)
(July 13, 2015 at 11:29 am)QuarkDriven Wrote: (July 13, 2015 at 10:59 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: As Catholics, we believe that each person is judged individually. Just because you had a vasectomy, for example, doesn't automatically pin you as a person with a black mark. You are not Catholic, and you did not know about (and do not believe anyway) about these teachings on vasectomy.
A much higher standard is placed on those who actually know/believe, but choose to do it anyway. (of course, if this is an extreme situation, like a man's wife will die if she get's pregnant again and he feels he must do it to avoid killing her, that is also taken into account and will greatly decrease, if not completely eliminate, his culpability.)
Point is, we don't believe God paints with a broad brush on judgement day, but rather considers each individual's unique situation and what was in their hearts at the time.
Didn't mean to make you feel that way. You are trying to help and you mean well. I just wanted you to know I appreciate that.
And thanks!
While I disagree with your assertions of Randy, lol, I do appreciate the compliments.
I think most people of my faith are like this. I'm nothing special. The reason you never hear much from us is because we are not the type of people to start talking to atheists about our faith unprovoked (obviously lol). And of course, naturally most of us are not the type of people who go around seeking discussions with atheists on internet forums lol.
I don't know what you mean by normal, but if you are meaning to ask if we believe "regular" is immoral and touching oneself during foreplay to sex with your spouse is moral, the answer would be yes. In previous pages I explain how we believe sexuality is to be used in the sacred context of marital intercourse. Whatever type of foreplay is in that context, assuming its consensual and done for each other's best interest, is moral.
There is no such thing as animals acting morally vs immorally. They're animals.
I have a thread on here where people have posted videos of animals and what they would do in certain situations... In certain cases, monkeys (and I'm sure other animals) have shown what we call morality..compassion... they may not know what it is, but they exhibit it...
It's really quite beautiful to see animals behaving in a way that we would, even though "they're just animals"
http://atheistforums.org/thread-34080.html
Thanks for the video! Don't get me wrong, I LOVE animals.
I guess I should have said as far as I know there is no such thing as animals acting morally or immorally. I guess anything is possible. I just don't think they have the same capacity to think in the way we do. But perhaps they each have their own " moral laws" which we are unaware of.
(July 13, 2015 at 11:38 am)robvalue Wrote: I think we do get a skewed representation of theists on here in general. For some reason we seem to attract the more fundamental and judgemental ones who have no problem expressing their glee at our eventual torture. Empty vessels make the most noise. It would be great to have more like yourself who actually want to get to know us, and don't need to just shout "you're wrong!" every five minutes. (my bold)
...Because those are generally the type of people who would take the time to join an Atheist forum... because they hope to convert people.
And thanks for the compliment, friend! 
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RE: What do the theists here think about masturbation and porn?
July 13, 2015 at 1:17 pm
(July 13, 2015 at 10:59 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: There is no such thing as animals acting morally vs immorally. They're animals.
This just in .. people found to be neither mineral nor vegetable.
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RE: What do the theists here think about masturbation and porn?
July 13, 2015 at 1:18 pm
(July 13, 2015 at 11:25 am)pocaracas Wrote: You people... you're a bunch of wankers!
I know! Common girls, save us from ourselves.
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RE: What do the theists here think about masturbation and porn?
July 13, 2015 at 1:33 pm
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2015 at 1:34 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
Unrelated question... what does YHO stand for?
Please excuse my ignorance. 
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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