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RE: What Human Rights?
July 16, 2015 at 10:13 pm
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(July 16, 2015 at 10:05 pm)Rhythm Wrote: (July 16, 2015 at 10:01 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Just wanna say I really appreciate the questions you're asking and the things you're saying. This is kind of the discussion I hoped to have with you guys when I created my "why be good" thread. But that did not happen lol. Too many people were focusing too much on my title as Catholic to really have a genuine conversation with me about what they thought. I should have disguised myself as an atheist when I made that thread. 
You should have asked a far less ridiculous question, and you still -ought- to stop blaming every damned thing on your catholicism and the inequity of others. Cath, you say stupid shit....that's why people respond to you the way that they do. Take some fucking responsibility for a change?
Sorry, this is all that comes to mind when reading your posts:
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RE: What Human Rights?
July 16, 2015 at 10:13 pm
(July 16, 2015 at 10:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 16, 2015 at 10:00 pm)Jenny A Wrote: There's nothing in nature that entitles anyone to anything be they human or tree squirrel. All human rights are legal rights, or rights that humans argue ought to be legal rights. Regardless of whether we call them human rights or not, it's very clear that both other humans and/or nature can take them away. They are alienable. There is no such thing and an inalienable right. Life itself can be taken in a heart beat whether you think you have a right to it or not.
Then why do we get so upset when we hear about tyrannical governments? If we don't inherently deserve any more right than what those in power are willing to give us, then why get upset if another country is cool with slavery, for example.
You're confusing a list of rights with a list of things people in our modern western society wish were universal rights. What upsets us and what is universal are not the same. And whether we wish them to be rights or not they aren't. They are violated all the time. Hence we are upset.
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RE: What Human Rights?
July 16, 2015 at 10:15 pm
(July 16, 2015 at 10:08 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (July 16, 2015 at 9:38 pm)BrokenQuill92 Wrote: Once we are born we have these basic rights
1. The right to life
2. The right to health
3. The right to contentment
4. The right to romance and love
5. Right to reproduce and parenthood
6. The right to at least a small bit of leisure
If they are rights, why doesn't everyone have them? What you have there is a list of things I'd like everyone to have, but not a list of things everyone does have are even a list that could be given to everyone.
Just because someone else won't let a person practice their rights, doesn't mean they don't rightfully have them. That's why we get upset when we hear about someone being oppressed, etc. Because they are being stripped of practicing a right that they are inherently entitled to.
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RE: What Human Rights?
July 16, 2015 at 10:18 pm
(July 16, 2015 at 10:13 pm)Jenny A Wrote: (July 16, 2015 at 10:10 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Then why do we get so upset when we hear about tyrannical governments? If we don't inherently deserve any more right than what those in power are willing to give us, then why get upset if another country is cool with slavery, for example.
You're confusing a list of rights with a list of things people in our modern western society wish were universal rights. What upsets us and what is universal are not the same. And whether we wish them to be rights or not they aren't. They are violated all the time. Hence we are upset.
What is violated?
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
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RE: What Human Rights?
July 16, 2015 at 10:19 pm
If we're going back to basics, as animals, what rights do we have?
Only one.
The right to survive at any cost.
That one cannot be taken away, it's in our DNA.
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RE: What Human Rights?
July 16, 2015 at 10:21 pm
(July 16, 2015 at 10:18 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (July 16, 2015 at 10:13 pm)Jenny A Wrote: You're confusing a list of rights with a list of things people in our modern western society wish were universal rights. What upsets us and what is universal are not the same. And whether we wish them to be rights or not they aren't. They are violated all the time. Hence we are upset.
What is violated?
Anything you declare is a right. Life, liberty, pursuit of happiness, reproductive freedom, representation before taxation. You name it.
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RE: What Human Rights?
July 16, 2015 at 10:21 pm
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@Ig
-Again, I could hit you over the head with a brick. I can most definitely take that right away, and I have some practice in the business thereof (enforcing martial law ftw!). Course, you could claim, as you drained out, that the right remained..lol. I would.
@Dys
That last post about HR........you're pitching a -hell- of alot of straw.
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RE: What Human Rights?
July 16, 2015 at 10:27 pm
Quote:@Dys
That last post about HR........you're pitching a -hell- of alot of straw
It is not strawmanning to discuss the topic at hand.
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RE: What Human Rights?
July 16, 2015 at 10:28 pm
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No, it isn't, but the manner in which you're discussing it -is- strawmanning. I'm not sure I'm going to get much traction here though, Mr. Non-Sequitur. The notion that the idea of "eternal sin" has something to do with why we ought to help others exercise their human rights...the holiness of human life........what, the fuck...?
Yes, yes, I advocate for human rights because human life is holy and I feel a sin debt........why even pretend anymore, you caught me..... 
Perhaps you should look into some non-retarded opinions on human rights, if that's your summary? 
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What Human Rights?
July 16, 2015 at 10:38 pm
A right is this.
Something you declare and something you defend.
If you can't defend your right then it isn't a right anymore.
I'm sure someone will challenge what I said but when you get down to brass tacks, I am correct.
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