(July 18, 2015 at 12:03 am)vorlon13 Wrote:(July 17, 2015 at 11:18 pm)ignoramus Wrote: Pretty sure he lied then when he said he doesn't lie!
Liar !
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If God changed his mind
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Xians talk the talk, but most lack any real conviction. The majority of Xians live in areas where being religious is generally acceptable (contrary to Xian's claims otherwise). When you hear a Xian famously make statements like "If it weren't for god I'd be in prison" or "If it weren't got god I don't know where I'd be", they're really talking about the Law. Not god's law, society's law. IOW, they're saying if it weren't for courts, judges, and prison terms they might be kind of a huge dickhole. So if god were to appear and command his people to commit rape and murder most of them wouldn't have the "faith" to follow through. The majority of Xians have lived religious lives with minimal resistance. If someone actually came to arrest them crimes committed in god's name, I think we'd see quite a few Xians backing down, god or no god.
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Copenhagen School  Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. (July 17, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Godschild Wrote:(July 17, 2015 at 10:42 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: This is too the Christians out there. If God suddenly and with absolute certainty it was him came and told all Christians you must steal, rape, and murder and to not do so was a punishable sin what would you do? How do you know it can't happen, do you know the mind of God?
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing.
If there's one thing religios "know", it's the mind of God!
They know it intimately, just as if it's their own! go figure...
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Know God, Know fear.  RE: If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 3:53 am
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2015 at 3:56 am by robvalue.)
This is one of those questions which highlights the core problems with "religious morality".
If your only standard is God, then you have no grounds to reject anything he says, even if he changes his mind. You can't even say you prefer how things used to be, because that implies some other standard you are using to judge God. So if the theist says they will refuse, they are admitting to some different form of morality separate from God. If they agree, then they show they are entirely amoral, and have no actual objections to rape and murder themselves; just that God says don't do them (which is debatable). So they kind of can't answer. I'll be impressed if anyone gives an honest answer. Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (July 17, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: Know it wasn't God speaking, that would make Him a liar and God himself says He doesn't lie. You're asking Christians to assume something they know can't happen. OR DOES HE?!?! http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/contra/god_lie.html Your precious book can't really make up its mind on that. RE: If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 4:02 am
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2015 at 4:03 am by robvalue.)
God doesn't lie because he told you he doesn't lie?
Circular logic there, what a surprise! And exactly what a lying God would say. If God has done nothing but lie to everyone, how exactly would we know? This is why it's so dangerous to accept any authority without question. You devoid yourself of all your humanity and integrity. And yeah, he does lie, by his own admission, in his own propaganda. Feel free to send me a private message.
Please visit my website here! It's got lots of information about atheism/theism and support for new atheists. Index of useful threads and discussions Index of my best videos Quickstart guide to the forum  (July 18, 2015 at 3:59 am)Neimenovic Wrote:(July 17, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: Know it wasn't God speaking, that would make Him a liar and God himself says He doesn't lie. You're asking Christians to assume something they know can't happen. Get real and improve your reading skills, none of that says God lied, it does say prophets lied why don't you study and find out the reason behind those verses, to much trouble for you to find the truth, your loss not mine. Parroting what others use to discredit the Bible and not finding if what they say is true shows your lack of attaining the truth. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
(July 18, 2015 at 2:40 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote:(July 17, 2015 at 11:13 pm)Godschild Wrote: Know it wasn't God speaking, that would make Him a liar and God himself says He doesn't lie. You're asking Christians to assume something they know can't happen. To a point, what He reveals to me. I know He has never been proven to lie, accused by unbelievers who have no idea what they are talking about, yes, but then when they do not understand the scriptures I can only believe they are more interested in harm than truth. GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
If God changed his mind
July 18, 2015 at 10:45 am
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Godschild Wrote:Get real and improve your reading skills, none of that says God lied, it does say prophets lied why don't you study and find out the reason behind those verses, to much trouble for you to find the truth, your loss not mine. Parroting what others use to discredit the Bible and not finding if what they say is true shows your lack of attaining the truth. I've always been curious.. If you're speaking to me and I ignore you by pretending not to hear you, am I lying? |
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