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Is it bad that Muhammed(pbuh) married Aicha ?
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I personally think it's ridiculous to label Mohammed as paedophile and use it as an excuse to criticize Islam - Everyone back them married pre-pubescent girls, Europeans did it too for some time and Queens could procreate since the first time they had period. I'm not saying that it's right by today's standards, but it isn't a valid criticism of Mohammed.
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 (July 18, 2015 at 8:23 am)huss88ein Wrote: So u all ok with kids having sex at schools but if a girl is happily married then that's a crime well at least she wont get AIDS or be a teenage mother to a bastard child.[...] None of that changes the fact, that your prophet had sex with a child. And consequently many of his devout followers are raping their child brides as we speak...
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(July 18, 2015 at 8:59 am)Dystopia Wrote: I personally think it's ridiculous to label Mohammed as paedophile and use it as an excuse to criticize Islam - Everyone back them married pre-pubescent girls, Europeans did it too for some time and Queens could procreate since the first time they had period. I'm not saying that it's right by today's standards, but it isn't a valid criticism of Mohammed. Oh, please. Firstly - 9 year olds DON'T HAVE PERIODS. Secondly - no one is advocating sex with children because of what some queen might or might not have done 500 years ago. However great many Muslims DO justify child marriages by pointing to Mohammad's sex-life. Including the dumbass that started this thread.
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 Quote:If you ask me it is not unethical to get married if u reach the age of puberty for both sex and with of course the consent of the two people involved and their families. Texas law isn't in agreement with you from what I can see from the link you posted. I think the only type of organizations in the world who still believe that 9 years old is an acceptable age of consent are religions like Islam and the North American Man/Boy Love association and possibly some cults associated with Christianity. I have no issue with some ancient guy marrying an underage girl, in a time when organized education systems were less important and when it was customary to have people marry at a very young age, I'm not going to say that guy is evil, it's just that Muhammad lived in a pretty fucked up ancient time and didn't know any better. The only problem is when Muslims say Muhammad did know better, than everyone else ever in the history and future of the earth, and everyone should see him and everything he did as a great example. These days education systems, many, MANY places now are more stable and generally better places to live than where Muhammad lived back then and usually the laws around the world do have an age of consent older than the age of 9. The issue with laws is that ANY law that governs a lot of people is going to cause some bad and some good but the people governing the laws should try and work with the law of averages to make the vast majority of outcomes desirable outcomes. So if there was a law in place where any guy could marry any girl as long as she had just hit puberty, it might cause be good for some girls, maybe one girl gets married at 9 and lives a happy life and dies at 100, if she hadn't have got married in an alternate universe where the age of consent was 16, she would have been raped by 10 men, or out playing with her friends and got run over by a car, the alternatives are endless. But on average the best law that most countries have decided on is to have an age of consent over 9 due to birth complications in girls at a very young age, mental maturity, wisdom, perverted old men taking advantage and on average the effects of being kept in education are usually a good thing. Are you ready for the fire? We are firemen. WE ARE FIREMEN! The heat doesn’t bother us. We live in the heat. We train in the heat. It tells us that we’re ready, we’re at home, we’re where we’re supposed to be. Flames don’t intimidate us. What do we do? We control the flame. We control them. We move the flames where we want to. And then we extinguish them. Impersonation is treason.  (July 18, 2015 at 5:03 am)huss88ein Wrote: Well I have been asked by a member about this and I told him that the age of marriage differ from time to time and from place to another . Oh, they are. Not all of them of course but they seem to have a pretty bad infestation of bad people. As to the OP, of course it wasn't bad for Mohammed. He got some young stuff. Good for him. (July 18, 2015 at 9:07 am)Homeless Nutter Wrote:Indeed, and I find that unjustifiable - The problem with religious morality is precisely that it refuses to adapt to what's new - My point was just that the "Mohammed was a paedophile" is a ridiculous argument because many people back them were paedophiles.(July 18, 2015 at 8:59 am)Dystopia Wrote: I personally think it's ridiculous to label Mohammed as paedophile and use it as an excuse to criticize Islam - Everyone back them married pre-pubescent girls, Europeans did it too for some time and Queens could procreate since the first time they had period. I'm not saying that it's right by today's standards, but it isn't a valid criticism of Mohammed. Are you sure about that? My girlfriend had her period a few days before hitting 10. Is she physically deficient?
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RE: Is it bad that Muhammed(pbuh) married Aicha ?
July 18, 2015 at 9:55 am
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2015 at 10:21 am by The Grand Nudger.)
LOL< the extended tu qoque.... It doesn't -matter- how many people back in the day were pedos - it won't excuse this supposed paragon of righteousness. If a person believes that Mo screwed his childbride, while also believing that pedophilia is wrong and that Mo is a picture of -divine- virtue.... the argument stands. The amount of pedos in the world past and present doesn't have any excusing or ameliorative effect, and I say this with certainty because -that- contention is demonstrably and mechanically not valid.
"Your honor, the case against my client and his religious order should be dismissed......he's not the first or only child fucker on earth, and neither he nor his compound of likeminded childfuckers feel that they've done anything wrong" - no dice. There's nothing ridiculous in reminding some douchenozzle that the person who's moral advice they consider to be of the highest authority was a pedo. I don't take moral advice from pedos, so I'm not interested in what Mo's opinion on this, that, or the other thing might have been. Let's see if I can scrounge up a nice lengthy reply from Hussy, Dys.....with my question below, I;d be willing to take this back up with you after we've both had a chance to see that response. How does that sound? To answer the OP question...yep, it's pretty bad, but did you need to ask us that...were you unsure in the absence of our opinion? You seem to realize that it -is- a black mark on your religion, judging by your attempts to explain it away. If you didn't think it was a problem, why not just leave it alone, as stated? So what if Mo -was- a pedo, what's it to -you-?
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 RE: Is it bad that Muhammed(pbuh) married Aicha ?
July 18, 2015 at 10:54 am
(This post was last modified: July 18, 2015 at 10:55 am by dyresand.)
(July 18, 2015 at 5:03 am)huss88ein Wrote: Well I have been asked by a member about this and I told him that the age of marriage differ from time to time and from place to another . Yes it's bad it is very very very bad pedophilia is wrong very fucking wrong. Just because your religion says it's okay doesn't make it fucking okay to think it's good.
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