Whirlwind

[fr0d0]

That sounds about right. But you don't sound like all that much of a christian imo

After all that I'm surprised you still call yourself a Christian. In fact, if that was me I'd never want to hear the name again.

I call poe. Very little makes sense here.

[mchlbhm]

That sounds about right. But you don't sound like all that much of a christian imo

After all that I'm surprised you still call yourself a Christian. In fact, if that was me I'd never want to hear the name again.

I call poe. Very little makes sense here.

I suppose I feel it was more my parents doing. If they hadn't abused me, I might place full blame on the creator. Life is much too short. I could live free of god and find out too late that I was wrong, or the other way around.

I have to make a choice. That much is clear.

[Zen Badger]

Reject religion for intellectual reasons, not emotional.

Your parents have issues all their own and appear to be using god to excuse their behaviour.

Though how they plan on explaining abusing their children to their god would be interesting.

But if you turn away from religion just because of your parents you hae done it for the wrong reasons.

Before you make a decision examine all the evidence for and against religion and the sciences that disprove it(Evolution etc)

THEN make your call.(This forum is an excellent place to do it)

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P.s I've just looked up the "unforgivable sin"

If this is the case then the evangalist christians efforts to convert us heathen atheists surely must be a waste of time.

We've spent our lives committing the "unforgivable sin" so we must be well beyond salvation.

Or am I missing something.

[Rev. Rye]

Reject religion for intellectual reasons, not emotional.

Before you make a decision examine all the evidence for and against religion and the sciences that disprove it(Evolution etc)

THEN make your call.(This forum is an excellent place to do it)

In order to help speed this process up, here's a link to Lord Russell's essay on "Why I am Not a Christian." Its cold logic should be a contrast to the OP in style. If that convinces you to abandon religion entirely, then we eagerly welcome you.

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We've spent our lives committing the "unforgivable sin" so we must be well beyond salvation.

Or am I missing something.

My guess (from his OP) is that his learning about the Unforgivable sin is the catalyst for his big crisis of faith that led to him posting here.

[fr0d0]

Some research on the unforgivable sin will reveal that it isn't.

People are people, and you can't judge any position on the actions of someone violating the idea of that position.

[Godscreated]

Yeah, so here I am questioning my faith. I was raised a christian. The gospel according to St. John 1:1-3 was the first thing I learned to read. I believed, wholeheartedly, that I had conversations with god. I would hear him in my head and he would teach me and help me understand the KJV when I was little.

My mom, a die-hard christian, would pray and tell me what god said when I had questions. She seemed to have a much better connection with god. She taught me everything. I learned chess when I was six, learned how to read and write before I went to school (alphabet and counting english, spanish and german. pig-latin too. lol) and kept me safe.

So my parents sexually, physically, and verbally abused me. Not all at once, mind you. My dad started it with my sister. I told mom and she told me to forget it and that she'd take care of it. I tried so hard to forget because I trusted her so much. I did forget for the most part. The she abused me once, that I remember.


Four or five years pass and I'm reading the bible. I'm filled with the HS and feeling awesome spending time with my best friend (god). I come to the part about the unforgivable sin. I feel resistance but I say "The HS is of Satan." I could almost feel a "pop" and I felt nothing. No HS, not even a little hint of god. I went to mom in a panic. She prayed and said "OMG! What have you done?!?" and then went on to tell me that god can't forgive me of this sin. Anything else, but not this. In tears she told me that I will never have a good career, won't be able to keep a wife and kids, no car or house. I'll leave pain and destruction in my wake. That I'll be beaten, tortured and finally murdered. Just before I'm murdered, I'll come to feel an honest remorse (I was in tears.

Hysterical! I didn't care if I died or had to give up everything. Just don't leave me! He was my best friend. if that wasn't honest) and he'll finally forgive me. Not before. Oh yeah, that I'd seek help from others, but no man would be able to help me. ARRRG! Many years have passed. I can still remember that day as though it just happened. So, I question him. I question his parental skills and I wonder how life might have been growing up with science as my best friend.

I wish I was hearing this for the first time but not so and it's as awful to hear now as it was any other time. I can not even imagine what your going through to have those you trust the most to abuse you in such a horrible way. I wish I had some words to comfort you in this awful time the only thing I can say is I'm truly sorry this abuse was brought upon you. Even though your faith is being tried to its core and I do understand it would be I will be praying for you.

You don't need to be in a great hurry to make a decision about what you should or should not believe you need to sort out all thats happened to you and decide how to deal with it. Please keep in mind that people who would abuse you in this way are not a reliable source of information. Most of the time they only want to control a situation for their benifit. I would not put to much trust in what you've been told about the unforgivable sin. I see that in a different way this is how I understand it, only when one continually rejects the calling of the Holy Spirit has he committed the unforgivable sin. Remember in your Bible studies God said He would not strive with a man forever God is omnisicent and knows when a person will no longer listen to the Holy Spirit and by what I've read I do not think you have quit listening. I'm not sure who made the reference that most of the people on this site have committed the unforgivable sin, well I do agree that some have by the way they openly blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Ask yourself this do you really believe the loving Creator would condemn you to hell for a thought that you did not really mean you will never be able to control all your thoughts all the time and God knows this. Again I'll be praying for you.

[mchlbhm]

I wish I was hearing this for the first time but not so and it's as awful to hear now as it was any other time. I can not even imagine what your going through to have those you trust the most to abuse you in such a horrible way. I wish I had some words to comfort you in this awful time the only thing I can say is I'm truly sorry this abuse was brought upon you. Even though your faith is being tried to its core and I do understand it would be I will be praying for you.

You don't need to be in a great hurry to make a decision about what you should or should not believe you need to sort out all thats happened to you and decide how to deal with it. Please keep in mind that people who would abuse you in this way are not a reliable source of information. Most of the time they only want to control a situation for their benifit. I would not put to much trust in what you've been told about the unforgivable sin. I see that in a different way this is how I understand it, only when one continually rejects the calling of the Holy Spirit has he committed the unforgivable sin. Remember in your Bible studies God said He would not strive with a man forever God is omnisicent and knows when a person will no longer listen to the Holy Spirit and by what I've read I do not think you have quit listening. I'm not sure who made the reference that most of the people on this site have committed the unforgivable sin, well I do agree that some have by the way they openly blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Ask yourself this do you really believe the loving Creator would condemn you to hell for a thought that you did not really mean you will never be able to control all your thoughts all the time and God knows this. Again I'll be praying for you.

I have to admit that I feel apprehensive about assuming I know how/what god feels or thinks. God being timeless with incomprehensible intelligence/wisdom with a huge jealous streak and a reputation for destroying his children when they upset him- Yeah, I'm screwed.

[Zen Badger]

I have to admit that I feel apprehensive about assuming I know how/what god feels or thinks. God being timeless with incomprehensible intelligence/wisdom with a huge jealous streak and a reputation for destroying his children when they upset him- Yeah, I'm screwed.

Yes, god does seem to embody all the qualities that we find reprehensible in people.

Religion is just cosying up to the biggest bully on the block.

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P.s fuck the holy spirit.

[KichigaiNeko]

I have to admit that I feel apprehensive about assuming I know how/what god feels or thinks. God being timeless with incomprehensible intelligence/wisdom with a huge jealous streak and a reputation for destroying his children when they upset him- Yeah, I'm screwed.

P.s fuck the holy spirit.

bbbbb* I thought that was what I was for bebe!!

[Eilonnwy]

I call poe. Very little makes sense here.

I agree.