Am I Going To Hell?

[Redbeard The Pink]

Sin=Choice not free will but choice on whether or not to follow God.. Or rather Sin is anything not in the express word or will God has for us. Meaning If God's will for us is ABC, and if their was no 'sin/choice' All we could ever do is ABC
Like Adam and Eve in the Garden, before the fruit all they did was the ABC God wanted them to do. for them Sin was going beyond the ABC God wanted them to do and eat the forbidden fruit. Once they did they knew of the whole concept of sin.

Right...and Gaud knew all that would happen, and he created it anyway knowing that most of humanity would wind up damned. Instead of sparing all those souls by leaving them out of existence, he went ahead and made creation because he figured the few obedient, loving worshipers were worth the suffering and death of the rest of humanity. What a kind Gaud.

Sin wasn't created, it was given to us as an opportunity to choose something beyond the will of God. Why? So that those who did/would not want to be with god had the opportunity to separate themselves from Him and the rest of what He has created.

Sin wasn't created, and yet it exists. Your Gaud is supposed to have created everything there is. If it exists and he didn't create it, that statement wouldn't be true, would it? If he created a system where things could come into existence without his creating them, why the fuck did he do that?

Also, when you say "given to us," by whom? By Gaud? So he gave it to us as an opportunity, but he didn't create it? What, was it just lying around?

Actually no. Hell is described as the void, the pit, Death, the oppsite of creation/Life eternal. Hell is the absence creation the destruction of life. It is what creation is not. It was prepared for satan. It is also the tool use to destroy the 'infected'/Those who will not repent of their sin.

Hell is described as a lot of things, "fictional" being of the foremost importance.

The 'system' is perfect the way that it is. Because it is only through the struggle, strife, and hardships created by those who hate God, that 'we' are made to grow and develop spiritually.

And again, if that's true, it's because Gaud made it that way. If he were really all-powerful, he could have just as easily made a system totally free of suffering where personal growth comes about from eating magic raisins and fucking perfect holes in the wall.

Now...by people who "hate God," do you mean atheists? Haven't we had this discussion before? Your imaginary friend does not exist. We do not hate your imaginary friend.

I often point out that between the end of creation and the fall of man nothing is said/their is no time line. Why? Because even if a 100 trillion years went by, nothing of consenquence happened. Because Adam and Eve did not grow or experience Anything new till Sin was introduced. It is very appearent that God did not want to program us like He did the fish and birds that migrate great distances and spawn. We need to learn through the pains of sin and consenquence for ourselves. Those who are lost to Hell serve a great purpose in that formal education of those who go on.

If we were unable to grow or experience anything, in what way were we not leading a totally programmed experience? If basically all we did was eat, sleep, and fuck, then we were actually living more or less the same lives the animals were living.

No not everyone. He however loved us enough to give us an opportunity to seek redemption if we so chose to seek it. Or so says John 3:16

Yeah, and Austin 3:16 says "I just whipped your ass."

If this were remotely true we would not have a way to redeem ourselves continuously.

Right, except that his method for redemption doesn't apply to the whole of humanity, only to those who obey and worship him...hence my statement that he only cares about worship and obedience. If he cared about humans he would save them all, not just those who worship and obey.

You know if you go by what the bible says, The only being sent to Hell for an eternity of torture will be Satan. The rest of the souls that go there, go to die/be consumed. At least according to what Christ thought... Who knows maybe dante was right and JESUS CHRIST is the one who was wrong.

So the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus must have just sailed right over your head in Sunday School, huh? I realize it's a parable, but what would this parable illustrate about Hell? Certainly not that it's a place where souls are immediately consumed, for the Rich Man in this story has been there long enough to grow desperately thirsty for even a drop of water.

Again, you are infected with 'Sin' and your only real choice in this life is to take the medicine Christ offers that will cure you, so you may live eternally, Or to die. Hell is the death Christ talks about if you do not accept the offer of life He offers.

That medicine is an over-sized, rough-hewn suppository, and I seem to have an allergic reaction to something in it (probably the bullshit). You have fun with that, though. Once you get past the wide part I hear it's supposed to be easier, but then again you probably already knew that, didn't you, Gapes? Can I call you Gapes?

[Drich]

The zombie thing is not a good analogy. In that situation, everyone knows there such things as sins, but in real life, no one does. Also, my non belief in something can not be synonymous with a infection that makes me eat people. I know you want it to be, but it is not.

I am going to provide you with a brief explaination of how analogy works, then provide a citation to support what I have just told you, then I will underline the key points of that analogy you don't seem to want to address making you look foolish. Finally finish a comprehensive summary detailing exactly how my analogy works and why yours failed.

1 how analogies work:
Analogies compares word or concept pairing, usally a know word or concept with a word or concept a student maybe struggling to fully grasp.
Good or successful analogies don't often share a complete relationships with a word or concept they are being paired with, but need only share a singular aspect that will build a critical logical bridge between the known word or concept to the unknown one. (that was your failure in your understanding of analogy, you believe a analogy must share a complete relationship when if fact that would not be possible if what was being compared wasn't identical.) In reality an analogy must only create a single parallel relationship between the two words or concepts to create a 'good analogy.' The person creating the Analogy must be clear in which of the aspects of the known concept is being paired with the known. (which I clearly did)

2) your citation of how proper Analogies work in the English language:
http://www.englishforeveryone.org/Topics/Analogies.htm

3) making you look foolish:

(side note, when I say sin I mean unrepented/proud to sin, sin.)

So again, Sin is not synomous with Crime. Sin shares More in common with a deadly virus. Since most of you are not familiar with how real super deadly virus works, and can't be bother to read up on them I used a Zombie virus, and the perceived quarantine proceedures of such a panic level outbreak. It is in this pairing of Sin and infection even dormant infection that we can draw paralells and full understand why we can not have a single infected person even if we love them outside their quarantine zones. Because in a Zombie outbreak no level of infection is permissible in a sanctuary. Likewise no one caring any level of the Sin virus can be permitted in the Sanctuary of Heaven.

4) comprehensive summery of the points being discussed:

4a)Lets start with a break down of why your initial pairing of sin and crime failed.

You wanted to pair Sin and crime, that is a bad analogy not because of the general pairing, but because of your perception that sin and crime share punishable attributes that should be addressed on a sliding scale is not how God has indeed quarantined Sinners from the saved.. Again Sin is not crime. even though some crimes are indeed sins.

4b) Next a break down pairing the known concept (Zombie outbreak) with particular elements of sin that share a commonality:

Sin/unrepented sin, is the condition or level of rebellious infection that is akin to a Zombie level threat, for all of Humanity in eternity furture. Why? because ANY Sin is not about indivisual actions/misdeeds. Sin is in the soul. It is what ate at Lucifer, who was given the #2 spot in heaven and ultimately found it was not enough.. he wanted what God had. He wanted to be God. He rebelled with 1/3 of the angels with him, because he 'infected' them with his own discontent. Sin given enough time will fester into something greater. we all live lives that prove this generation after generation. The only thing stopping us/the unrepentant from becoming like Satan is our short life spans. Now Imagine what would happen if we lived for eternity, infected with unrepentant sin..

At some point you will have had enough and 'turn.' then cascade down like Lucifer, ultimately deserving to be punished for all eternity.again like Satan.

Definition of wishful thinking: the attribution of reality to what... you know what? I think you have already given a great example of that. Never mind.

Finish your point, lets see if it hold water.

What is the purpose of the law then? If no one has to follow them, then are they just there to scare atheists away?

According to Paul in Romans6- chapter 8 the Law is there to help us identify sin in our lives driving those looking to serve God to repentance. The Law is also the guide lines we show God our gratitude and respect.

again we do not follow the law as a means to righteousness. We follow the law as a sign/showing of Love to God which is what is needed to accept the atonement Christ offers..

[Shuffle]

Sin=Choice not free will but choice on whether or not to follow God.. Or rather Sin is anything not in the express word or will God has for us. Meaning If God's will for us is ABC, and if their was no 'sin/choice' All we could ever do is ABC
Like Adam and Eve in the Garden, before the fruit all they did was the ABC God wanted them to do. for them Sin was going beyond the ABC God wanted them to do and eat the forbidden fruit. Once they did they knew of the whole concept of sin.

Sin wasn't created, it was given to us as an opportunity to choose something beyond the will of God. Why? So that those who did/would not want to be with god had the opportunity to separate themselves from Him and the rest of what He has created.

The 'system' is perfect the way that it is. Because it is only through the struggle, strife, and hardships created by those who hate God, that 'we' are made to grow and develop spiritually. I often point out that between the end of creation and the fall of man nothing is said/their is no time line. Why? Because even if a 100 trillion years went by, nothing of consequence happened. Because Adam and Eve did not grow or experience Anything new till Sin was introduced. It is very apparent that God did not want to program us like He did the fish and birds that migrate great distances and spawn. We need to learn through the pains of sin and consequence for ourselves. Those who are lost to Hell serve a great purpose in that formal education of those who go on.

The bottom line: your god does not love us.

No not everyone. He however loved us enough to give us an opportunity to seek redemption if we so chose to seek it. Or so says John 3:16.

He only cares about worship and obedience.

If this were remotely true we would not have a way to redeem ourselves continuously.

You know if you go by what the bible says, The only being sent to Hell for an eternity of torture will be Satan. The rest of the souls that go there, go to die/be consumed. At least according to what Christ thought... Who knows maybe dante was right and JESUS CHRIST is the one who was wrong. Again, you are infected with 'Sin' and your only real choice in this life is to take the medicine Christ offers that will cure you, so you may live eternally, Or to die. Hell is the death Christ talks about if you do not accept the offer of life He offers.

But god knew that they were going to eat the fruit, therefore completely dooming them immediately when he created them.

I don't want to be separated from your god, because I don't even believe he exists. An atheist in Ancient Greek didn't want to be separated from your god, because your god hadn't even been made up yet!

No, the system is not perfect. Before god created the universe he KNEW that billions upon billions of people would be thrown into lakes of fire. People that didn't know he existed. People that didn't have enough evidence that he existed. People that were raised to believe he didn't exist. How is that fair? Formal education for those who go on? Oh look. People being tortured! I am now smarter!

What happened to, "God loves all of his children?"

Do you have any references from scripture?

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I really don't have time to clean up the rest of the crap that you just vomited out on the floor. I have many better things to do than make a comprehensive analysis of every word that you have used. And no, I am not pussying out on this "debate." I am just so tired of the constant back and forth. I now realize that I will not be able to get through to you and you will not be able to get through to me. Let's just agree to disagree for now, ok?

[Iroscato]

This is a sequel to my first thread Why Christianity? These two threads contain very simple questions for theists that deserve simple answers.

The questions I propose to you is:

1. Am I going to hell? (based off of the sole fact that I am an atheist)

Yes

Why?

Because you have an outstanding debt you can not pay with anything but your life.

Do I deserve it as much as a rapist/ serial killer/ pedophile/ molester?

Yes. God does not grade sin on the sliding scale we do.

Does a single unrepented/unforgiven sin = Eternal torture?

The bible only ever say Satan and his angels look forward to eternal torture. Hell is forever, we will be consumed by it. "Fear not the one who can destroy the body, fear the one who can destroy the body and soul in Hell."

Hell fire is simply the method in which our fragile consciencousness is destroyed. That said I personally think the people who cause other people to Goto Hell and the hitlers of the world should take a lot longer to burn up than the average lemming/atheist who is trying to justify his porn habit.

Say it take 1000 years of being on fire before your, or a unrepented porn filledmind goes insane. A thousand years of sheer panic and primal intense pain before the tiny thread that is holding your consciencousness together is finally consumed by the blackness, and all that you ever were is lost to the darkness. I hope that someone like hitler should have to endure a thousand year sentence like that for every life that was taken in his name. The same needs to be done about about those false teachers in the church, who knowingly teach a false doctrine to benefit themselves, but condemns those who foolishly follow them.

Why do other people of your same faith disagree with your answers to those questions.

Tradition verse what the bible actually says.

If their is ever a doubt ask for book chapter and verse.

I want do not want a flood of atheists' comments creating a buffer between this post and theists' comments, so, if you are an atheist, can you please hold off until there is at least one other response? Thanks!

Sorry I came late to the party.

You are a disgrace to humanity.

[Nay_Sayer]

According to Paul in Romans6- chapter 8 the Law is there to help us identify sin in our lives driving those looking to serve God to repentance. The Law is also the guide lines we show God our gratitude and respect.

again we do not follow the law as a means to righteousness. We follow the law as a sign/showing of Love to God which is what is needed to accept the atonement Christ offers..

  According to Ben Parker;Spider-Man:2002 "With great power comes great responsibility", Equally valid and a far better story in Spider-Man.

[Drich]

But god knew that they were going to eat the fruit, therefore completely dooming them immediately when he created them.

What makes you think they were doomed? They simply were not able to live the life they lived before the fall. Which considering the attonement offered was the whole point.

I don't want to be separated from your god, because I don't even believe he exists.

Denying His existence on the words or principles of a philosophy is denying God.

No, the system is not perfect. Before god created the universe he KNEW that billions upon billions of people would be thrown into lakes of fire.

How is people being consumed in Hell not perfect? The only way one can say that is with the idea that all have to goto Heaven. Many don't want to go if not on their terms.

People that didn't know he existed. People that didn't have enough evidence that he existed

People are judged on what they have been give. we are not all judged on what modern Christianity has come to understand.
There is a great passage in Heb 4 that goes into greater detail.

. People that were raised to believe he didn't exist. How is that fair?

According to Christ there are many who will be raised in the church who grew up thinking they were saved when they were not.. It's not about being fair. It is about being responsible to what God gave you over to understand. What did you do with the knowledge you did have?

Formal education for those who go on? Oh look. People being tortured! I am now smarter!

Or, in the case of this website, those who deny God ask questions. Questions the trutly faithful would not have the mind to ask themselves, and if the faithful were responsiable to what they were given they would seek the answers on the behalf of those who asked them... that's how we 'get smarter.'

What happened to, "God loves all of his children?"

God does indeed Love all of HIS Chrildren. Not all of You/us are His Children. Jesus told many parables, and most of which centered around the idea of separating God's people from those who are not. The wheat and weeds

Do you have any references from scripture?

references for what specifically.

Also, going to boston for a few days may not be able to respond for a while.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

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So if Gaud created everything, but he totally hates sin, then why did he create sin?

Sin=Choice not free will but choice on whether or not to follow God.. Or rather Sin is anything not in the express word or will God has for us. Meaning If God's will for us is ABC, and if their was no 'sin/choice' All we could ever do is ABC
Like Adam and Eve in the Garden, before the fruit all they did was the ABC God wanted them to do. for them Sin was going beyond the ABC God wanted them to do and eat the forbidden fruit. Once they did they knew of the whole concept of sin.

If he didn't create sin, who did? Did Satan? Did we? If so, why did Gaud create a system where sin could be created? Why did he create a system where ANYTHING could be created by someone other than himself? The capacity for creation isn't necessary for the ability to choose, so Free Will is out.[/color]

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Sin wasn't created, it was given to us as an opportunity to choose something beyond the will of God. Why? So that those who did/would not want to be with god had the opportunity to separate themselves from Him and the rest of what He has created.

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The simple fact is that your Gaud supposedly created a place of eternal torment to punish people who upset him even once in the smallest of ways, and many of the ways we can upset him have no harm in them other than that he dislikes those actions for some unexplained reason

Actually no. Hell is described as the void, the pit, Death, the oppsite of creation/Life eternal. Hell is the absence creation the destruction of life. It is what creation is not. It was prepared for satan. It is also the tool use to destroy the 'infected'/Those who will not repent of their sin.

When people say, "because you have a debt that needs repaid," or, "because you're guilty of something and need to be absolved," they somehow conveniently forget that, if the rest of their beliefs are correct, then the reason that situation is true is that Gaud created the system knowing it would wind up that way. That means either that he intended for the system to be that way or that he couldn't stop it from being that way (but then went ahead and selfishly created the system anyway because he'd rather have the worshippers and punish the infidels than not create the system and spare all those potential beings from hell).

The 'system' is perfect the way that it is. Because it is only through the struggle, strife, and hardships created by those who hate God, that 'we' are made to grow and develop spiritually.

I often point out that between the end of creation and the fall of man nothing is said/their is no time line. Why? Because even if a 100 trillion years
went by, nothing of consenquence happened. Because Adam and Eve did not grow or experience Anything new till Sin was introduced. It is very appearent that God did not want to program us like He did the fish and birds that migrate great distances and spawn.
We need to learn through the pains of sin and consenquence for ourselves. Those who are lost to Hell serve a great purpose in that formal education of those who go on.

The bottom line: your god does not love us.

No not everyone. He however loved us enough to give us an opportunity to seek redemption if we so chose to seek it. Or so says John 3:16

He only cares about worship and obedience.

If this were remotely true we would not have a way to redeem ourselves continuously.

He is a worse monster than the worst human Earth has ever produced, because torturing even one person infinitely is a worse crime than torturing billions for thousands of years. It is an infinitely worse crime, in fact. That's the nature of infinity. It is a joy and a relief that your god does not exist because, quite frankly, he is a dick.[/color]

You know if you go by what the bible says, The only being sent to Hell for an eternity of torture will be Satan. The rest of the souls that go there, go to die/be consumed. At least according to what Christ thought... Who knows maybe dante was right and JESUS CHRIST is the one who was wrong.

Again, you are infected with 'Sin' and your only real choice in this life is to take the medicine Christ offers that will cure you, so you may live eternally, Or to die. Hell is the death Christ talks about if you do not accept the offer of life He offers.

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What was the very first specific act that was identified as a "sin" in the biblical fairy tale?  That means that the act itself was specifically identified as a "sin" and not something that just pissed the God character off.

[Drich]

got to the terminal, and the trip was postponed by the higher ups involved. soI'm back

[Drich]

Right...and Gaud knew all that would happen, and he created it anyway knowing that most of humanity would wind up damned.

Knowing how someone is going to act/react given a senerio is not the same as forcing to act that way.

Instead of sparing all those souls by leaving them out of existence, he went ahead and made creation because he figured the few obedient, loving worshipers were worth the suffering and death of the rest of humanity. What a kind Gaud.

Indeed.

Sin wasn't created, and yet it exists.
Your Gaud is supposed to have created everything there is. If it exists and he didn't create it, that statement wouldn't be true, would it? If he created a system where things could come into existence without his creating them, why the fuck did he do that?

That's an Unwarranted assumption fallacy.

God did not create sin, Meaning it is not a thing, a tangable object existing in 3d time and space. All of creation fits under time and space. Sin was given as a gift. Meaning it was a purposed plan, or option of God to allow man the opportunity to sin, from the very beginning. We know this because the tree of Knoweledge was placed in the garden before Adam was.

Also, when you say "given to us," by whom? By Gaud? So he gave it to us as an opportunity, but he didn't create it? What, was it just lying around?

Again pinky sin is not a tangble thing. Sin is the ability to be outside of God's expressed/written will for us. I say we have been given this gift by Him, because we can live a whole life and remain in sin the whole time.

Actually no. Hell is described as the void, the pit, Death, the oppsite of creation/Life eternal. Hell is the absence creation the destruction of life. It is what creation is not. It was prepared for satan. It is also the tool use to destroy the 'infected'/Those who will not repent of their sin.

Hell is described as a lot of things, "fictional" being of the foremost importance.

And again, if that's true, it's because Gaud made it that way. If he were really all-powerful, he could have just as easily made a system totally free of suffering where personal growth comes about from eating magic raisins and fucking perfect holes in the wall.

Their must be a quality with true sentience that must demand independence from God. Enter sin. Sin is true independence from God. The only thing we must do to return from God is to seek Atonement for our sin. For some they value their independence more.

Now...by people who "hate God," do you mean atheists? Haven't we had this discussion before? Your imaginary friend does not exist. We do not hate your imaginary friend.

There is a word for people who Hate god and that is a Miso-theist. 99% of self claiming 'atheist' are indeed Miso-theist. the difference? If one does not believe in God he is indifferent to God, or God's commands. A miso theist hates God, Hates His Commands and/or Hates His policies as well.

So where do you stand on gay rights, abortion, The preservation of the sanctified Family?

[color=#cc3399]If we were unable to grow or experience anything, in what way were we not leading a totally programmed experience? If basically all we did was eat, sleep, and fuck, then we were actually living more or less the same lives the animals were living.

exactly!

]Yeah, and Austin 3:16 says "I just whipped your ass."

Drich 3:16 says i'll PM you an address if you want to give it a go.

If this were remotely true we would not have a way to redeem ourselves continuously.

Right, except that his method for redemption doesn't apply to the whole of humanity

If you weren't so quick to plug in a 20 year old catch phrase, and looked at the actual book chapter and verse you would see the Opportunity for redemption does indeed apply to Humanity.

, only to those who obey and worship him..

Indeed, again would you invite an Zombie virus infected neighbor live in your house so long as he promised not to turn into a zombie? If you will not allow people carrying a deadly infection to comingle with your loved ones, then how are you somehow better/different than God?

.hence my statement that he only cares about worship and obedience. If he cared about humans he would save them all, not just those who worship and obey.

But again no where in the bible does it say God cares for ALL of Humanity, only that God Loved All Humanity enough to have been given the same opportunity to enter His Agape'. God only promised to Love/Agape' His children. Those who return from sin to Him. (The cured.) Why should any parent 'love' a child who can be cured of a deadly zombie level virus, but refuses the cure because they demand the parent to love them with the infection and damn the rest of the non infected house hold. People like that are a cancer, and should be removed.

So the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus must have just sailed right over your head in Sunday School, huh? I realize it's a parable, but what would this parable illustrate about Hell?

It illustrates the finality of hell. that once you are there there are no second chances, their is no more forgiveness offered, that it's residence are doomed with out hope or prospect, despite any position or power one held in this life..

Certainly not that it's a place where souls are immediately consumed, for the Rich Man in this story has been there long enough to grow desperately thirsty for even a drop of water.

Indeed which give me hope/pause to think that the worse you were in this life the longer it takes for one to be consumed.
(maybe that's why the devil will burn forever.)

That medicine is an over-sized, rough-hewn suppository, and I seem to have an allergic reaction to something in it (probably the bullshit). You have fun with that, though. Once you get past the wide part I hear it's supposed to be easier, but then again you probably already knew that, didn't you, Gapes? Can I call you Gapes?

What's so hard about: "Jesus, I know I do a lot of bad crap. I don't want to be that person any more. Please help me change, give me what I need to Change." and then simply be faithful to what you are given??

[Nay_Sayer]

Right...and Gaud knew all that would happen, and he created it anyway knowing that most of humanity would wind up damned.

Knowing how someone is going to act/react given a senerio is not the same as forcing to act that way.

Instead of sparing all those souls by leaving them out of existence, he went ahead and made creation because he figured the few obedient, loving worshipers were worth the suffering and death of the rest of humanity. What a kind Gaud.

Indeed.

Sin wasn't created, and yet it exists.
Your Gaud is supposed to have created everything there is. If it exists and he didn't create it, that statement wouldn't be true, would it? If he created a system where things could come into existence without his creating them, why the fuck did he do that?

That's an Unwarranted assumption fallacy.

God did not create sin, Meaning it is not a thing, a tangable object existing in 3d time and space. All of creation fits under time and space. Sin was given as a gift. Meaning it was a purposed plan, or option of God to allow man the opportunity to sin, from the very beginning. We know this because the tree of Knoweledge was placed in the garden before Adam was.

Also, when you say "given to us," by whom? By Gaud? So he gave it to us as an opportunity, but he didn't create it? What, was it just lying around?

Again pinky sin is not a tangble thing. Sin is the ability to be outside of God's expressed/written will for us. I say we have been given this gift by Him, because we can live a whole life and remain in sin the whole time.

Actually no. Hell is described as the void, the pit, Death, the oppsite of creation/Life eternal. Hell is the absence creation the destruction of life. It is what creation is not. It was prepared for satan. It is also the tool use to destroy the 'infected'/Those who will not repent of their sin.

Hell is described as a lot of things, "fictional" being of the foremost importance.

And again, if that's true, it's because Gaud made it that way. If he were really all-powerful, he could have just as easily made a system totally free of suffering where personal growth comes about from eating magic raisins and fucking perfect holes in the wall.

Their must be a quality with true sentience that must demand independence from God. Enter sin. Sin is true independence from God. The only thing we must do to return from God is to seek Atonement for our sin. For some they value their independence more.

Now...by people who "hate God," do you mean atheists? Haven't we had this discussion before? Your imaginary friend does not exist. We do not hate your imaginary friend.

There is a word for people who Hate god and that is a Miso-theist. 99% of self claiming 'atheist' are indeed Miso-theist. the difference? If one does not believe in God he is indifferent to God, or God's commands. A miso theist hates God, Hates His Commands and/or Hates His policies as well.

So where do you stand on gay rights, abortion, The preservation of the sanctified Family?

If we were unable to grow or experience anything, in what way were we not leading a totally programmed experience? If basically all we did was eat, sleep, and fuck, then we were actually living more or less the same lives the animals were living.

exactly!

]Yeah, and Austin 3:16 says "I just whipped your ass."

Drich 3:16 says i'll PM you an address if you want to give it a go.

If this were remotely true we would not have a way to redeem ourselves continuously.

Right, except that his method for redemption doesn't apply to the whole of humanity

If you weren't so quick to plug in a 20 year old catch phrase, and looked at the actual book chapter and verse you would see the Opportunity for redemption does indeed apply to Humanity.

, only to those who obey and worship him..

Indeed, again would you invite an Zombie virus infected neighbor live in your house so long as he promised not to turn into a zombie? If you will not allow people carrying a deadly infection to comingle with your loved ones, then how are you somehow better/different than God?

.hence my statement that he only cares about worship and obedience. If he cared about humans he would save them all, not just those who worship and obey.

But again no where in the bible does it say God cares for ALL of Humanity, only that God Loved All Humanity enough to have been given the same opportunity to enter His Agape'. God only promised to Love/Agape' His children. Those who return from sin to Him. (The cured.) Why should any parent 'love' a child who can be cured of a deadly zombie level virus, but refuses the cure because they demand the parent to love them with the infection and damn the rest of the non infected house hold. People like that are a cancer, and should be removed.

So the Parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus must have just sailed right over your head in Sunday School, huh? I realize it's a parable, but what would this parable illustrate about Hell?

It illustrates the finality of hell. that once you are there there are no second chances, their is no more forgiveness offered, that it's residence are doomed with out hope or prospect, despite any position or power one held in this life..

Certainly not that it's a place where souls are immediately consumed, for the Rich Man in this story has been there long enough to grow desperately thirsty for even a drop of water.

Indeed which give me hope/pause to think that the worse you were in this life the longer it takes for one to be consumed.
(maybe that's why the devil will burn forever.)

That medicine is an over-sized, rough-hewn suppository, and I seem to have an allergic reaction to something in it (probably the bullshit). You have fun with that, though. Once you get past the wide part I hear it's supposed to be easier, but then again you probably already knew that, didn't you, Gapes? Can I call you Gapes?

What's so hard about: "Jesus, I know I do a lot of bad crap. I don't want to be that person any more. Please help me change, give me what I need to Change." and then simply be faithful to what you are given??

You got a deal, Let me just murder a few children before I get the celestial high five from Jesus. Man i wish I knew about this loophole sooner, Rape and Debauchery here I come!