atheism and children

[Nope]

It's funny how god can't create life anymore and needs us to do it for him. He used to be able to sneeze it out of dirt or something.

See Genesis 1:28

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See Genesis 1:28

Genesis 1:28 is a pro life statement from God.

Be fruitful and multiply? That doesn't say anything about abortion

Cultural Christianity in America is anti Choice but the bible isn't. You have just gotten so used to thinking of abortion as evil that you can't accept what your own holy book actually says

[LastPoet]

I don't have any children with my wife just yet, despite all the amount of all the sex we are having. Never the less, if we can't do it ourselves, there are enough children around to care. Its plan B though. She stopped the pill only 2 months ago.

I will be there, hammering the iron while it's hot

[Fidel_Castronaut]

That don't make a lick of sense.

Which aspect, precisely? I understand not agreeing, but can you at least see where we're coming from?

No, as it happens, I can't.

The end result is exactly the same whether it's through actual intercourse or insertion of the fertilised eggs into the womb.

The difference is entirely arbitrary and moral objections to IVF appear to be an objection for objection's sake of to save face in the light of ambiguity of dogma and/or doctrine When confronted with technological advance.

Hell just have sex before/after the procedure and pretend. The procedure at least has a guaranteed % chance of starting the process (in that the sperm has met the egg) 'Normal' intercourse is hit and miss *at best*.

[bennyboy]

That don't make a lick of sense.

Which aspect, precisely? I understand not agreeing, but can you at least see where we're coming from?

Jesus didn't have much to say about birth control, except to set a pretty clear example of neither making babies nor spending much time being around them (apparently).  So what, Jesus isn't enough, the catholics have to make up a bunch of stuff?

Here's a hint: selling your possessions and giving the proceeds to the poor isn't conducive to either finding a mate or to raising a child.  Not sure Jesus was a really big family man (too much parental pressure maybe), and not sure why Catholics insist on hitting that 1000-year rewind button to get to the good stuff. Doesn't that just make you wanna-be Jews?

So no. I don't see where you're coming from, from a religious standpoint, except to subscribe to a bunch of baloney a bunch of old white guys made up to keep women barefoot, pregnant, and uninterested in politics.

[Cephus]

There is nothing wrong with being born via C-section.

It is unnatural.

So is wearing clothes, I don't see them running around naked, do you?  As with everything else, they pick and choose what they feel like believing.

[The Valkyrie]

How can it be immoral to have kids?

For me, personally, I don't want kids.  Once I've established my career, I may adopt, however.

[Catholic_Lady]

Which aspect, precisely? I understand not agreeing, but can you at least see where we're coming from?

No, as it happens, I can't.

The end result is exactly the same whether it's through actual intercourse or insertion of the fertilised eggs into the womb.

The difference is entirely arbitrary and moral objections to IVF appear to be an objection for objection's sake of to save face in the light of ambiguity of dogma and/or doctrine When confronted with technological advance.

Hell just have sex before/after the procedure and pretend. The procedure at least has a guaranteed % chance of starting the process (in that the sperm has met the egg) 'Normal' intercourse is hit and miss *at best*.

It's not the end result that we think is immoral, it's the act itself.

If you need $10 you can either attain it by stealing, or by shoveling snow off your neighbor's driveway. The end result is the same... you got $10.

Likewise, it's not having a kid that we think is immoral (obviously lol), it's the means by which you went about it.

[Catholic_Lady]

It is unnatural.

So is wearing clothes, I don't see them running around naked, do you?  As with everything else, they pick and choose what they feel like believing.

Except "it's unnatural," in isolation, was never the reason I gave for why we believe IVF is immoral.

More straw, but I'm used to it.

[LastPoet]

Likewise, it's not having a kid that we think is immoral (obviously lol), it's the means by which you went about it.

What about all those people that weren't going about it and just wanted to have a good time? Are they immoral? People have the possibility to not have kids, as I have the possibility of having kids. There must be a reason why sex feels good. And I can resist anything , but temptation

[Catholic_Lady]

Likewise, it's not having a kid that we think is immoral (obviously lol), it's the means by which you went about it.

What about all those people that weren't going about it and just wanted to have a good time? Are they immoral? People have the possibility to not have kids, as I have the possibility of having kids. There must be a reason why sex feels good. And I can resist anything , but temptation

Not necessarily. Married couples can have valid reasons for not wanting kids.