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Lets talk about sex.
#31
RE: Lets talk about sex.
(August 23, 2015 at 11:41 am)mh.brewer Wrote:
(August 23, 2015 at 11:37 am)Drich Wrote: The short answer is because sex is a physical representation/activity that represents the Union of two individuals. This is or should be (according to God's design) a one time thing. To separate and unite with another causes damage to who we are and supposed to be.
Bold mine.

Gonna suck for you if your mating partner dies.

[Edit] Hold the phone. Didn't a chieftain in the holy book of dribble take a younger more fertile serving wench while still tied to the first woman? Apparently this was OK cause his story was maintained in the book of scaries.

Death is apart of the whole process that makes us into the people we are ultimately to become. Yes it will suck but it is a suck that has been planned for.

Book chapter and verse for the other comment please.
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#32
RE: Lets talk about sex.
(August 23, 2015 at 1:33 pm)loganonekenobi Wrote: wait who/what says there will be damage caused.  Jealousy i can understand that's natural
Not just Jealousy but the pain the other partner suffers when

Quote: but when the  two willingly break the  ties then that's no longer an issue.
that cold callous indifference for one another is not who we are supposed to be. Christ identifies this as having a 'hard haert' and the reason Moses allowed for divorce.
Quote:I believe that the bible also had definitions of marriage that are completely illegal today such as taking and raping prisoners of war. That's looks like ultimate  vag control and not acceptable today.
ROFLOL Ah, no.. Or rather book chapter and verse please. (Remember their are no OT Jews anymore)

Quote:I do believe that sex should be  treated with respect after all it made you and it made me but not with guilt and fear.
Once a couple is under the covenant of marriage then the only fear or boundries we have are set by each other.

Quote:I wonder if the religious books are more designed for the people that wont try to improve the way humanity treats one another.  You know like the laws that are made cause some idiot wouldn't listen to his/her better judgment.
Or maybe the bible really does reflect what God wants for us.
Quote:So it seems  to me then that the  biblical folks who wrote the bible (or God if you believe the fable) felt that only fear and guilt would stop people from having sex in an irresponceble manner.  Okay I get it now.
Or again, Sex is marriage is to help us understand the final emotional connection/love Christ has for the church, and why He died for us.

Quote:I doesn't work though.
http://www.urbanfaith.com/2012/07/why-un...-sex.html/
and this is a Christian site.
ROFLOL
Ah, no.
Your whole article hings on not a poll or any real data, but what the 'National Assoceation of Evangelicals' thinks is going on. Below in the wiki page is a link to the types of 'denomination' that belong to that organization.. At best lets say most of them are on the fringes of biblical Christianity.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_A...angelicals who knows maybe for their group of fringe believers this is true.
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#33
RE: Lets talk about sex.
(August 24, 2015 at 9:02 am)Drich Wrote: Death is apart of the whole process that makes us into the people we are ultimately to become. Yes it will suck but it is a suck that has been planned for.

Book chapter and verse for the other comment please.
Bold mine.

Genesis 16.
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#34
RE: Lets talk about sex.
who are we supposed to be I wonder. Is it not for each individual to determine?
Indifference can hurt but from what I have seen and experienced a heart break is painful but a normal human gets over it and moves on. However, the fear of going to hell for wanting sex or the guilt and fear when one finally does fulfill their natural sexual desires by simple and completely harmless masturbation is crippling and long in it's damage. This I have seen in the form of slut shaming, fear of damnation for touching ones self, and condemning every sexual desire that does not conform to your god's confusing rules. Remembering that this deity made us in this way. This my friend is real damage.
I know you have heard the same verses i have about the rape laws of the OT so just in case I will show you again
Deuteronomy 22:28-29,Deuteronomy 21:10-14,
then there is this one as it is clearly states that women are property, Judges 21:10-24
Now before you say "that was the old testament and Jesus changed all that" Mathew 5; 17-18. so now I know you will interpret this way different than I will but the point is that if you follow Jesus then you follow the OT. I have seen some of the arguments that say that Christians don't have to follow this and any one with a brain can manipulate this any way they want and they do.
as far as polls on faith stopping sex
http://www.truthdig.com/eartotheground/i...arital_sex
now in all what I see is more harm than good as far as religion attempting to control the sexual lives of others. What's worse is that they not only want to destroy the sex lives of their own but also every one else's. I see that this gives you humor as is evident by your icons. I have a grievance with religion doing this to every one for their own selfish reasons. It makes more sense that a time long ago some men wanted to control their women and so made up a god to enforce their desire to have sex at their convenience.
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#35
RE: Lets talk about sex.
(August 24, 2015 at 10:21 am)mh.brewer Wrote:
(August 24, 2015 at 9:02 am)Drich Wrote: Death is apart of the whole process that makes us into the people we are ultimately to become. Yes it will suck but it is a suck that has been planned for.

Book chapter and verse for the other comment please.
Bold mine.

Genesis 16.

You do understand that everything in Genesis was before any written law or any type or organized religion established by God right?
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#36
RE: Lets talk about sex.
(August 25, 2015 at 8:39 am)Drich Wrote:
(August 24, 2015 at 10:21 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Genesis 16.

You do understand that everything in Genesis was before any written law or any type or organized religion established by God right?
Nope and don't care. Don't give me any, "Oh but wait, that doesn't count because.....". It's in the book, the book that is always put forward. A book that organized religion accepts. Organized religion had (and still has) the opportunity to remove it, to edit it, from the book and didn't. It is therefore OK. So, argue away, you're only going to look more foolish in my eyes.
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#37
RE: Lets talk about sex.
My advice OP is to ignore everyone else who tells you what you should and shouldn't do with a consenting partner.

Religions and theists are often the quickest to have their 2cents worth sex and matters of, as an example, sexual health and relationship advice, and are equally often the least well qualified to do so.

Just ignore them, everyone else does.
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#38
RE: Lets talk about sex.
Like others have said, it's about control.

The urge to have sex is the most natural thing in life, right up there with eating, sleeping, and breathing. Some health scientists even now believe that having regular orgasms is as important to ones health as regularly brushing teeth (which is why I do both twice daily, haha).

That being said, religions teach that sex is a bad thing, down to the very desire. Even having dirty thoughts is abominable and punishable. I remember when I was Christian, being taught that having sexual thoughts was just as much a sin as actually committing a sexual act outside of marriage, even if you never said those thoughts out loud or acted on them in anyway.

Religions take the one thing engrained in our biology that we can actually (on an individual level, mostly) survive without and use it to control their followers. Religion couldn't have done it with eating or sleeping because, unlike sex, you'll die if you don't partake in those activities. If we could survive without eating, then perhaps religions would've targeted that instead. They basically take something that is part of our core, tell us that piece of us will lead to damnation, and then tell us they have the only way out of that damnation.

It's like a company creating a product, then telling everyone they are terrible people doomed to hell if they don't have this product, then revealing that they are the only ones who manufacture said product so that we need them.
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#39
RE: Lets talk about sex.
(August 25, 2015 at 8:39 am)Drich Wrote: You do understand that everything in Genesis was before any written law or any type or organized religion established by God right?

I guess, this answers it best.

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#40
RE: Lets talk about sex.
I'm reasonably sure most everything I like done to me and doing unto other (willing) participants wouldn't even register as either sex or pleasurable to the vast majority of the rest of you.

(please note this occasion I failed to use any mysterious words none of you should want to Google)

Damn, now I'm aroused . . . .
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