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what are they teaching in seminaries these days?
August 27, 2015 at 3:12 pm
I'll never forget a Feast of the Epiphany (the visit of the Magi) Mass, when the priest started his homily this way: "You KNOW there were no wise men, right? No gifts of frankincense, gold, and myrrh? You know this is an allegory, a way for the gospel writers to say that they saw kingship in Jesus, so Jesus's story should start like king stories of their time. And they saw God in Jesus, so the angels must have been singing in the skies over the stable. There weren't any angels talking to shepherds, either. Don't read the Bible as if it is literally true, or you'll end up rather frustrated."
Do all seminaries teach that the Bible isn't literal, or just some of them?
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RE: what are they teaching in seminaries these days?
August 27, 2015 at 3:14 pm
Goddamn cherry pickers. Go work in an orchard and read the words for what they say -_-
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RE: what are they teaching in seminaries these days?
August 27, 2015 at 3:37 pm
Don't let them read the book. Tell them the cliff notes version. They'll be fine with that.
And change that money changers story into something we can use.
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RE: what are they teaching in seminaries these days?
August 27, 2015 at 3:54 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 3:12 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I'll never forget a Feast of the Epiphany (the visit of the Magi) Mass, when the priest started his homily this way: "You KNOW there were no wise men, right? No gifts of frankincense, gold, and myrrh? You know this is an allegory, a way for the gospel writers to say that they saw kingship in Jesus, so Jesus's story should start like king stories of their time. And they saw God in Jesus, so the angels must have been singing in the skies over the stable. There weren't any angels talking to shepherds, either. Don't read the Bible as if it is literally true, or you'll end up rather frustrated."
Do all seminaries teach that the Bible isn't literal, or just some of them?
Brilliant man. Good guy (for a priest). Died a few years ago. I miss him.
It's becoming more and more common to take a less literal approach to the bible, as we continue to gain more understanding of it and of the times it was written. 
Sad to hear of your friend's passing. What about good guy... for a human... was he a good guy for that? Lol. 
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RE: what are they teaching in seminaries these days?
August 27, 2015 at 5:01 pm
Yes, the more we know about the world around us, the less able we are to get away with taking the bible literally. Three guys bringing gifts does seem to be less literal and more allegory, though I'm sure Mary and Joseph would have appreciated the gold after having to put their baby in a feeding trough one night. Though that's likely not literal either.
It's odd that the most important decision in your life depends on a book that's filled with allegories, parables, and metaphors.
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RE: what are they teaching in seminaries these days?
August 27, 2015 at 5:32 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 5:01 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Yes, the more we know about the world around us, the less able we are to get away with taking the bible literally. Three guys bringing gifts does seem to be less literal and more allegory, though I'm sure Mary and Joseph would have appreciated the gold after having to put their baby in a feeding trough one night. Though that's likely not literal either.
It's odd that the most important decision in your life depends on a book that's filled with allegories, parables, and metaphors.
The story about the three guys bringing gifts to baby Jesus is an application of the Fourth Commandment which states that "none shall appear before Me empty-handed". (Exodus 34:19-20). Just about all of the stories are intended to be tied to one of the Ten Commandments found in Exodus 34:10-28. The gift story illustrates that the travelers recognized baby Jesus as the living God. There are more instances where people gave Jesus expensive gifts. The most significant is when the woman gave him the bottle of perfumed oil just before his crucifixion.
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RE: what are they teaching in seminaries these days?
August 27, 2015 at 5:37 pm
The seminaries of which denomination?
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RE: what are they teaching in seminaries these days?
August 27, 2015 at 5:42 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 3:14 pm)Neimenovic Wrote: Goddamn cherry pickers. Go work in an orchard and read the words for what they say -_-
In his defense, there are no cherries in the pile he picked from.
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RE: what are they teaching in seminaries these days?
August 27, 2015 at 5:44 pm
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(August 27, 2015 at 3:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 27, 2015 at 3:12 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I'll never forget a Feast of the Epiphany (the visit of the Magi) Mass, when the priest started his homily this way: "You KNOW there were no wise men, right? No gifts of frankincense, gold, and myrrh? You know this is an allegory, a way for the gospel writers to say that they saw kingship in Jesus, so Jesus's story should start like king stories of their time. And they saw God in Jesus, so the angels must have been singing in the skies over the stable. There weren't any angels talking to shepherds, either. Don't read the Bible as if it is literally true, or you'll end up rather frustrated."
Do all seminaries teach that the Bible isn't literal, or just some of them?
Brilliant man. Good guy (for a priest). Died a few years ago. I miss him.
It's becoming more and more common to take a less literal approach to the bible, as we continue to gain more understanding of it and of the times it was written. :shy:
Sad to hear of your friend's passing. What about good guy... for a human... was he a good guy for that? Lol. ;)
And sometime before the heat death of the universe, you too might gain the understand of "that was the TIMES during which they made IT up, and a botched job of making up malevolent fiction IT was, and what a shame so many scoundrels were able to gain the position to compel others to fall for it"
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RE: what are they teaching in seminaries these days?
August 27, 2015 at 6:24 pm
(August 27, 2015 at 3:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (August 27, 2015 at 3:12 pm)drfuzzy Wrote: I'll never forget a Feast of the Epiphany (the visit of the Magi) Mass, when the priest started his homily this way: "You KNOW there were no wise men, right? No gifts of frankincense, gold, and myrrh? You know this is an allegory, a way for the gospel writers to say that they saw kingship in Jesus, so Jesus's story should start like king stories of their time. And they saw God in Jesus, so the angels must have been singing in the skies over the stable. There weren't any angels talking to shepherds, either. Don't read the Bible as if it is literally true, or you'll end up rather frustrated."
Do all seminaries teach that the Bible isn't literal, or just some of them?
Brilliant man. Good guy (for a priest). Died a few years ago. I miss him.
It's becoming more and more common to take a less literal approach to the bible, as we continue to gain more understanding of it and of the times it was written.
Sad to hear of your friend's passing. What about good guy... for a human... was he a good guy for that? Lol.
Rubbish - interpretations of the bible have simply lost huge amounts of ground to science and common bloody sense, forcing people to take a softer and softer stance in interpreting it, to allow it to still be accepted in modern society.
There is no great mystery. It is fantasy, with occasionally accurate historical details smattered about. And for all the church's efforts to rebrand and repackage, they are STILL declining, going the way of thousands of exhausted religions like it before.
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