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Proving the Bible is false in few words.
RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
Quote:the second thing is we dont have a lot of atheists

Did you ever stop to think that the reason for that is that they are afraid of being murdered?

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/696/apostasy

Quote:The punishment for apostasy (riddah) is well-known in Islaamic Sharee’ah. The one who leaves Islaam will be asked to repent by the Sharee’ah judge in an Islaamic country; if he does not repent and come back to the true religion, he will be killed as a kaafir and apostate, because of the command of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): "Whoever changes his religion, kill him."


Between here and Atheistforums.com there have been any number of muslim atheists who, frankly, live in fear of their fellow countrymen finding out. The ability to murder people for professing disbelief is an effective tool to maintain discipline. Xtians did it for centuries.
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
Quote:Did you ever stop to think that the reason for that is that they are afraid of being murdered?
in egypt we dont have punishment for apostasy(and we still dont have a lot of atheists) the punishment is when someone give military information to an enemy or to be discovered as an agent for another country as most muslim scholars say and i may give you a lot of verses that prove this but its not the subject here.

Quote:The punishment for apostasy (riddah) is well-known in Islaamic Sharee’ah. The one who leaves Islaam will be asked to repent by the Sharee’ah judge in an Islaamic country; if he does not repent and come back to the true religion, he will be killed as a kaafir and apostate, because of the command of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): "Whoever changes his religion, kill him."
why in every discussion you get another person opinion? you must have your own. when you hear something like that open the quran and do some searches to know about that yourself
i made a whole thread about islam and jihad and also violence in general plz read it before you accuse islam of such things and if you still dont understand i will get you the verses about apostasy but not in this thread
Quote:Between here and Atheistforums.com there have been any number of muslim atheists who, frankly, live in fear of their fellow countrymen finding out. The ability to murder people for professing disbelief is an effective tool to maintain discipline. Xtians did it for centuries.
thats really silly do anyone can really control anyones believe
should i be aware cuz am entering atheist forums maybe they will kill me loool
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
(June 4, 2010 at 12:58 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: dont christians says that the bible was written by inspiration from the holly spirit?
Christians say that the bible is God's word. It was written directly by men, of this there can be no doubt. Jesus is the word. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".

Does Islam say categorically that the Bible is the direct word of God?
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
Quote:Christians say that the bible is God's word. It was written directly by men, of this there can be no doubt. Jesus is the word. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God".
you didnt answer my question
i believe that the bible we have now contains some of god words+authors words+historian words+translators word
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
I believe the bible is all God's word. Inspiration from Holy Spirit : same thing.
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(June 4, 2010 at 2:18 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: I believe the bible is all God's word. Inspiration from Holy Spirit : same thing.
luke 1:1-3 clearly states its not from holly spirit
about that the bible is all gods word thats not what is said in the back of king james version
it says:"yet the king james version has GRAVE DEFECTS and that these deffects ARE SO MANY AND SO SERIOUS as to call for revision"
check it man i just know that most of christians dont know about that and only few i talked with know that christians scholars believe as i told u that the bible contains some of god word+authors word+historians+translators
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
(June 4, 2010 at 2:29 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: luke 1:1-3 clearly states its not from holly spirit
about that the bible is all gods word thats not what is said in the back of king james version
it says:"yet the king james version has GRAVE DEFECTS and that these deffects ARE SO MANY AND SO SERIOUS as to call for revision"
check it man i just know that most of christians dont know about that and only few i talked with know that christians scholars believe as i told u that the bible contains some of god word+authors word+historians+translators
Luke said nothing about not being inspired by the Holy Spirit. He also didn't say that any of the reports he had read were defective or needed to be revised. What he was doing was gathering all the information into one document to make it easier for people to understand.
His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:20 ESV

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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
The bible(s) in their current form have very little resemblance to the bible(s) as they were originally written. They have been edited time and time again by men trying to shape the religion into what they wanted it to be... and they were written by men in the first place.

If the bible(s) contain any truth at all (which I sincerely doubt), it is totally second hand heersay that was written generations (literally) after the events they supposedly present. Here are some questions: Was Jesus illiterate? Why didn't he write anything himself? Why didn't his disciples keep a written log of their adventures with the son of god? Why didn't anyone bother to write about any of it until generations later?
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
(June 4, 2010 at 2:29 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: luke 1:1-3 clearly states its not from holly spirit
Luke states it's a written transcript of eyewitness accounts and "servants of the word". We're talking about accounts of Jesus as God right? What was written is deemed to be God inspired. Those accounts God inspired. Luke isn't denouncing that at all.

(June 4, 2010 at 2:29 pm)mo3taz3nbar Wrote: about that the bible is all gods word thats not what is said in the back of king james version
it says:"yet the king james version has GRAVE DEFECTS and that these deffects ARE SO MANY AND SO SERIOUS as to call for revision"
You're not talking about the bible now, just one translation into English. The bible has been translated many times since the KJV. The NIV is considered to be the most accurate now, but still more accurate translation can be had from varying sources.
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RE: Proving the Bible is false in few words.
Quote:why in every discussion you get another person opinion? you must have your own.


Son, you don't want to hear my opinion....it would flame the wallpaper in your room. I quote these other islamic "scholars" to show you that you are giving us little more than a No True Scotsman argument. You see, they think that they are better muslims than you just as you think that you have the sole handle on the truth.

It's a common affliction among religious types. You're no better than the average xtian fundamentalist.
No worse....certainly no better. And your invisible man in the sky is no more compelling than theirs.
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